Shutdown in 3rd day with Obama, Hill at impasse

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 4, 2013 12:31 p.m.

    Teachers are held more accountable than a president.


  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    There is nothing to negotiate. Republicans have backed themselves into a corner trying to get a law overturned that was approved by the House and the Senate, was signed by the President and vetted by the Supreme Court.

    The whole GOP mindset over the shutdown and the ACA was said by Rep Stutzman:

    “We’re not going to be disrespected, We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”

    Rep Boehner is looking for any little nugget from Reid & the President and I hope they don't budge an inch. Boehner just has to bring it to a vote.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Oct. 4, 2013 9:41 a.m.

    "The only thing preventing people from going back to work and basic research starting back up and farmers and small business owners getting their loans, the only thing that is preventing all that from happening right now, today, in the next five minutes is that Speaker John Boehner won't even let the bill get a yes or no vote because he doesn't want to anger the extremists in his party," Obama said.

    Replace Boehner with Reid, and you have a true statement.

    @happy2bhere: I was audited for 2009, and now am being audited for 2010.
    The 2009 audit yielded $312 more taxes, after taking 18 months to process. How much tax money was spent to get that $312? Thousands.
    The 2010 audit is postponed because of the shutdown.

    Why are they auditing me, an average Joe, family of 6, making $95K? Could it be that I donate money to a couple of organizations that Obama and his buddies find abhorrent? The LDS Church, the Boy Scouts, the Romney campaign?

    I wouldn't put it past him to direct the IRS to illegally target not only proposed non-profits, but also individual citizens he doesn't agree with.

    Fascism at its finest.

  • JLFuller Boise, ID
    Oct. 4, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    The Guardian, a major British newspaper says "With options dwindling for forcing Republicans to drop their fight, Obama faces a protracted battle linking both spending and borrowing authority in a combined budget standoff." And so it appears. Conservatives must win this fight despite what all the Obama propaganda machine says. Our nation is doomed to a never-ending deficit spiral which, without doubt, will end in our fiscal ruin and poverty like this nation has seen before.

  • bluecollar Kearns, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 6:39 a.m.

    The President of The United States of America has already negotiated over the budget and has told Republican leaders repeatedly he is willing to talk about any serious issues with regard to the budget. Appropriations for Military spending versus Education. How much for Homeland Security and how much of that for Illegal Immigrant Deportation. How much money for The FBI, or for the Environmental Protection Agency. There's a long list of monetary issues that are valid negotiating points.
    But when Republican leaders make a proposal that they know Democrats cannot and will not under any circumstances accept; that's not a genuine offer. And to then claim the other side "won't negotiate" is disingenuous.
    Republicans actually PLANNED a government shutdown long ago. Certain powerful and influential Republican members of the House stated in their campaign speeches they would "shut it down". Republican members of Congress attended a meeting months ago during which a shutdown was discussed as a political strategy.
    The Republican Party is no longer interested in the best interests of the American people and they need to be voted out so that our government agencies can return to doing good things.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 4:54 p.m.


    I know of people who will not post any thing like we do opposing Obama just because they are afraid that their identity will be discovered and they will get audited or some other bad thing will happen. Imagine that, in this day with this President, there are people so afraid of their own government that they will not use their first amendment right out of fear of retribution. And stories about IRS abuse of T-Party, NSA spying, ect only confirm to them their fears. I doubt I make enough money to warrent an audit, but if I disappear from this site, watch out, you might be next. In the meantime, some brave author might consider writing a book entitled, "Tyranny in America 2008 to 2016".

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 3:48 p.m.

    I love how BO calls in the leaders of Congress to conference about the budget, and then just tells them that he won't compromise in anyway on anything, and then tells the press that he is reaching out. What a total phony! He already has said he won't compromise publicly, again and again. JB has invited HR for conference, and HR refuses to talk.

    I guess the message is clear. Obama won the election and he is the king. HR will do his dirty work at the expense of the country, and the rest of us are expected to bow down and worship and be grateful for handout crumbs from the king's government welfare cake, when we, the taxpayers, paid for the whole cake!

    Worst president in the history of the USA. He even makes Putin look good!!!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 3:29 p.m.

    as a side note to the shutdown...did you hear that Dr. Ben Carson (an outspoken critic of the Barack regime and an accomplished neurosurgeon) was recently audited by the IRS after his criticism of king Barack. So the pattern is beginning to show it's ugly face. The pattern of a socialist dictator who uses the IRS as his strong arm or Nazi style SS to intimidate any decenters. It all started before the election of 2012 with the IRS being ordered obviously by the White House to intimidate and audit certain conservative groups and now the ugly 'Communist style' intimidation continues against private citizens. America is being changed into AmeriKa right before our eyes. Barack Obama is everything and then some ....Communist thug who punishes those on his enemys list as no president has ever done before. This 'should' scare all Americans to death - liberals and conservatives...because as the power of this corrupt regime grows no one is safe especially with the IRS now holding you hostage via health care.

  • viejogeezer CARLSBAD, CA
    Oct. 3, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    Lost and Taters,
    Didn't the CR originate in the house? Do you deny that if Boehner allowed a vote on a clean CR it would pass the house? Why won't he allow the vote? Why should the Democrats or the President yield to the lunatic fringe when clearly a majority of both houses would vote to end the stalemate if given the chance?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 3, 2013 12:52 p.m.

    Who is the person in charge? Not

    * The Republicans
    * The Tea Party
    * George Bush
    * Rush Limbaugh

    It's Obama. The President.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 12:39 p.m.

    @ Oatmeal and Viejogeezer:

    You and others need to realize that the Republicans are no longer trying to defund Obamacare. There has been and continues to be a lot feedback of negative experiences involving personal experiences with Obamacare. From national polls, there is no longer any question that THE PUBLIC IS NOW SOLIDLY OPPOSED TO IT... ESPECIALLY AS IT IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN. Republicans have simply been trying to listen to and represent the majority of their constituents.

    However, since Obamacare is legally still the law (at least for now), Republicans have backed off their demands to defund Obamacare and instead are now simply asking that the Democrats give to the American public what Obama has already given to the Unions and his special interest corporations who supported him during the election. And that is to give individuals the right to wait a year before signing up if they so choose. That would give Congress an opportunity to work on some of the obvious weaknesses and faults in the bill as it now stands. There is nothing unreasonable about that whatsoever.

    Therefore, it really is the uncompromising Democrats... Obama and the Senate... who are mostly to blame for the government shutdown.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 12:37 p.m.

    However funding is the flexible thing after a bill is passed. I remember some years ago when Congress passed some bill on border fences, but then chose to not fund or to cut back funding. There are always two sides to this legislative business, the bill and the money.

    What you propose is too logical. And it involves giving people "choice". Something the Democrats don't want the people to have with one exception. Abortion. The rest, school choice, health care, retirement, ect. they don't want people to have a choice on. They want to use force and threat.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    according to the constitution, spending bills HAVE to originate in the house. the house cannot legally vote on the senate bill. and no, the house would not pass the bill.

    harry and BO have shut down the government and BO's press secretary bragged that BO would rather tank the economy than offer concessions

    "White House press secretary Jay Carney said sharply that Obama "will not offer concessions to Republicans in exchange for not tanking the economy.""

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    Oct. 3, 2013 11:48 a.m.

    You have to realize that the budget they are talking about is not about what was spent this last year, but what they will spend for the next year. So in essence they have not already approved and agreed to spend that specific amount. The cuts that were agreed upon last time have helped to trim the deficit spending but have not eliminated it. And raising the Debt Ceiling only encourages more deficit spending when Congress refuses to contain the budget to the amount of income we are expecting.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    Of course Obama puts the blame for every failure at someones eases feet. According to him, he never has made any mistakes. In the real world his list of mistakes are very long. I'm sure all Americans wish now we would have elected an actual president this time around.

  • viejogeezer CARLSBAD, CA
    Oct. 3, 2013 11:37 a.m.

    If Boehner would just let the house vote on the senate bill it would pass and this would be all over. It seems to me that Utah voted for this shutdown by sending Mike Lee and Jason Chafetz to congress. Sometimes you get what you ask for.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 3, 2013 11:35 a.m.

    Why not just give people a choice when it comes to Obamacare? If you like it, knock yourself out, sign up. For those who don't want it, just give people the same waiver Obama gave to his buddies! Freedom is a beautiful thing!

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 11:31 a.m.


    Beaverton, OR

    I'm sure those 1/3 of the Representatives that are running for re-election in the House are quivering in their boots right now. It's a hot contest that can cause quite the effect when November comes around.

    1/3 of the senate is running. Represenatives have a 2 year term.

  • washcomom Beaverton, OR
    Oct. 3, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    I'm sure those 1/3 of the Representatives that are running for re-election in the House are quivering in their boots right now. It's a hot contest that can cause quite the effect when November comes around.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 10:24 a.m.


    Negotiate on the budget? Obama gave the Repubs every budgetary cut they wanted. The debt ceiling is borrowing money to cover what Congress has ALREADY APPROVED and agreed to spend. The Reublicans are holding parts of the government hostage unless Obama capitulates on Obamacare, which passed Congress three years ago.

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    Oct. 3, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    President Obama has made it clear that he will not negotiate on either the budget or the increase to the debt ceiling. Our Gov't was supposedly set up so that no branch could dictate the terms for operation. Now the President and House Majority Leader Reid have stated that they refuse to follow that arrangement. They have stated that they MUST be given what they want.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    There would be less wars if the leaders were placed on the battlefield as soldiers.

    There would be less economic problems if the leader paychecks were based on performance.