Obama hits GOP 'ideological crusade' in shutdown; Republicans plan vote to open nat'l parks

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  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 8:57 a.m.

    And in other news: Stalin calls Reagan an extremist; rational people are dumbfounded by the hypocrisy and arrogance

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 3:45 p.m.

    wouldn't it be nice if we could just send this guy on a one way ticket to Mars or something. What a stomach ache this guy is....

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 1:49 p.m.

    Here's hoping the DN will pick up on one of Senator Reid's comments to illustrate his ideology.
    He was comparing 1,000 government employees to one child with cancer.
    It is vintage Harry.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:02 a.m.

    @ Bob K:

    I've also noticed that for quite some time many people from countries that have universal health care have been coming to the United States whenever they have anything seriously wrong with them. Our healthcare system has long been considered the best in the world. Obama is now doing his best to dilute it and bring it down to the standards of those other countries who are now also going broke.

    If you follow world politics, you will have noticed that many of those socialist based governments who have universal health care are now on the brink of bankruptcy and needing to be bailed out. Their people are starting to vote more conservatives into power since their socialism isn't working out so well... including their universal health care that they can no longer afford. I lived in Europe for a while. I've experienced firsthand that their healthcare is not as great as liberals would like us to believe.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    @ Blue and KGB1:

    You two need to fill in the details to the scenario you mentioned. Obamacare was passed in record time by an all Democrat Congress without hardly any debate at all on the 2400+ pages of the law that Pelosi infamously stated "That's why we need to pass it, so we can see what's in it." An absurd statement! And now we're finally finding out what's really in it... and it ain't pretty!

    Keep in mind that slavery was once legally passed by Congress and upheld by the Supreme Court. Same with women not being allowed to vote and other such laws. That didn't make them any more right than Obamacare now is. Bad laws should be fought and overturned.

    Now that the people are finding out what Obamacare is doing to them, the solid majority no longer want it. It will be costing people much more money while making doctor care harder to get. More people seeking few doctors. I personally know of several doctors retiring early because of impending Obamacare. It's simply not a good law and is now unwanted by the people. Give it up!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    Where are our Obama supporters, and voters?

    Explain the positives of Obama Care, and how all of us will profit from it.

    Speak out!

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    Why is so hard for Obama's minions to see the handwriting on the wall. The fruits of Obamacare are already becoming known. It's already cost thousands of jobs and tens of thousands of full-time jobs changing to part-time jobs. For each person getting a reduction in insurance rates, there are 4 going up. The numbers don't lie. The majority no longer want this ill-conceived law!

    On top of that, Democrats are turning into full-time hypocrites. A few weeks ago they were complaining about Republicans not compromising. Now that Republicans are offering compromises, it's the Democrats not budging an inch. Republicans are no longer even trying to defund Obamacare, but rather just have the same delay offered to individual citizens that Obama has already offered to unions and special interest groups... and even Congress. There is nothing unfair about that whatsoever.

    Democrats are down to counting on the press to make the other guys look bad instead of where the blame really belongs.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:41 a.m.


    That's the brilliancy behind it all. And just so you know, it is not the House that is delaying those votes. Call your Senator!

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:39 a.m.


    Have your mother call Obama or Harry Reid. The love to just give things away with no regard how it is going to get paid for. But I will warn you, be careful. They are famous for saying they are going to do things and then it never happens. Good luck!

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:36 a.m.

    Thefullnancy: The Stamp Act was also law. I think the colonists came up with the best solution.

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:30 a.m.

    According to the article, the president said, ""They've shut down the government over an ideological crusade to deny affordable health care to millions of Americans,"

    First, the Affordable Care Act has little to do with healthcare. It has a lot to do with health insurance and burdening American taxpayers with even more regressive taxes.

    For me, the real issue is stemming the fiscal hemorrhage that Washington politics has become.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:14 a.m.


    One vote
    See BO’s comments going back throughout his entire misadministration about how he won’t compromise.

    The house and subsequently federal pursestrings are controlled by the GOP. Deal with it, not by whining and crying and refusing to negotiate. BO delayed the employer mandate, and it’s the GOP not obeying the law? Holder won’t enforce immigration or protect white voters under election laws, and it’s the GOP not obeying the law? Get real

    2010 was purely a referendum on obamacare – 2012 was much more.

    polls show more hate obamacare than support it. Your statement is false

    BO won’t enforce all of obamacare, and you claim the GOP efforts against it are not legal? Blindness to BO’s transgressions is a common ailment of the left.

    dragging the church into this is about as low as you can get. but as far as name calling, etc. have you observed BO's and reid's behavior throughout all of this, or do you just chose to ignore it

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:12 a.m.

    Despite BO’s unstatesmanlike rhetoric, the repubs voted to keep the government open, the dems voted to shut it down. This is a dem shutdown. BO is as unfamiliar with the truth as primitive amazon native is with rocket science.

    Repubs want people to be treated no worse under obamacare than corporations, but dems say people deserve less than corporations.

    “The Senate early Tuesday rejected the House's call to form a negotiating committee”

    Who is the real party of “NO!!!!”?

    The government is closed because of the petulance of reid and the bullying of BO.

    Government’s running out of money, but BO can still take his vacation to Asia –great leadership being exhibited there!

    Bored, TMR, atl134, petra
    The repubs voted to keep open, the dems voted to close. This is a dem shutdown despite bo’s lies

  • Petra Sanpete County, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 3:53 a.m.

    Educate those in the tea party as to motives of their GOP "leaders" and even those people will be disgusted with them. I will not forget that this is purely a selfish Republican thing when I go vote. I doubt I'll ever vote for a Republican again.

  • Bob K porland, OR
    Oct. 2, 2013 2:02 a.m.

    Foolish me -- I would assume that many of the readers and commenters, particularly those in Utah, are members of the lds church.

    Where was the Scripture I missed, the one where Jesus says that lying, fighting dirty, disparaging the President, name calling, and so on are Christian things to do?

    Anyone notice that universal health care is the best thing for citizens of our and many other countries?
    Anyone notice that, although we do not cover large segments of the population, that we pay astronomically more as a percentage of our wealth than other countries?
    Anyone notice who gets rich from this and is lobbying for you to be deceived?

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:09 a.m.

    It is fascinating how Obama and Reid are blind to the fact that they personify everything they claim to despise

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:53 p.m.

    @Bored to the point of THIS!

    Please give some specifics on why you like Obama Care.

    Is it good for America? If yes, give some details.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:16 p.m.


    "Propose alternatives and changes to the current law".

    Hmm - either you haven't been paying any attention to the debate or you just watch MSNBC. Which is it? The GOP in the House HAVE proposed about ten changes and your wonderful Harry Reid won't even talk. What then guy?? How do you negotiate with a wall? The GOP even proposed to pass the ENTIRE law but they want the exemption of congress and big business taken out. Again no go from Harry and Barack. So now what? Again - how do you negotiate with a side that WON'T negotiate? Any ideas? All the GOP asked this latest proposal was that congress not be exempted from Obamacare - they like ALL other Americans must eat this dog food called Obamacare - but Barack and Harry said no. I would suggest you look at other news sources because you certainly aren't getting the real picture my friend.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:04 p.m.


    What are Obama and the Democrats supposed to budge from? The ACA was passed by Congress, signed into law by President Obama, and upheld by the Supreme Court. If Republicans want to get rid of it, they can regain the Senate and the Oval Office and do so legally. Otherwise, to hold the government hostage because they didn't get their way is outright shameful.

    You do realize that if the Democrats were to yield on this, we may as well just throw the Constitution out the window. If a minority in Congress didn't like something, all they'd have to do is throw a big enough tantrum and it'd be up for "debate." Who knows how much our legally-enacted laws would be be overturned out of sheer, pigheaded childishness?

  • WestGranger West Valley City, Utah
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:37 p.m.

    So the Democrats and Obama won't budge.... and the shutdown is the republicans fault?

  • Tuffy Parker Salem, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:07 p.m.

    To be sure, this is a circus on both sides of the aisle but it certainly has further exposed this POTUS's disingenuous, self-serving and impotent leadership abilities. With all of his organizing experience, one would have assumed he could find a better way to manage this.

    Perhaps he's breathing a sigh of relief as the spotlight is off the complete foreign policy disaster of Syria...

  • PG #1 FAN Lindon, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 6:54 p.m.

    The GOP outrage has nothing to do with protecting the citizens from Obamacare. They know that people will like it and they will be on the wrong side of history again, just like with Social Security and Medicare. Throwing a tantrum doesn't change the law. Obamacare will be a success and the Republicans know it.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 6:15 p.m.

    The ACA was signed by both houses of congress, signed into law by the President, and upheld in the Supreme Court.

    The ACA was a major element of the 2012 campaign, and was discussed and debated extensively. The GOP lost the White House, lost ground in the Senate, and only through gerrymandered districts held on to a small lead in the House.

    If you don't like the ACA, then by all means come up with a superior alternative and get congress to pass it. Heaven knows since Citizens United you guys have no shortage of money available to you for this.

    But meanwhile - act like Americans and respect the process by which laws are made, and stop acting like petulant six year-olds.

    Blowing up the chessboard when you're losing doesn't mean you get to claim a win.

  • hermounts Pleasanton, CA
    Oct. 1, 2013 6:11 p.m.

    the present mess our government is in is the result of two things:1) two parties that are more ideologically pure, or polarized, depending on how you look at it, than ever before; and 2) an electorate that cannot make up its mind between them. The first would not have led to the present impasse without the second.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 5:50 p.m.

    This is absurd. By the time Republicans get around to voting on every single individual thing, the 6 weeks the continuing extension would be planned for would already expire. No wonder everyone thinks Congress is a joke.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 5:42 p.m.

    LDS Liberal: Are you kidding? This is barely scratching the service of what needs to be done! I won't blink until every unconstitutional program that government contols is in the dust bin of history. You won't hear a squeak out of me until then! I love liberty way too much. Prosperity beyond our wildest dreams, including health care for all, would be the result if liberty were allowed to flourish.

    Thefullnancy: President Obama is the one that won't abide by his own signature legislation. How can you or anyone be expected to live by a law that Obama has chosen to implement only for those he chooses? This is the greatest irony of all. It is so hypocritical that those who support him or the ACA won't even admit the hypocrisy, except to say, 'he knows best!', as in he knows best how to disobey the laws while blaming Republicans for not obeying the ACA. How does that work? Amazing.

  • Thefullnancy SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 4:51 p.m.

    The Affordable Health Care passed and is law. Deal with it. Not by crying and whining and threatening to take your ball and go home. Propose alternatives and changes to the current law. Work together to make the Affordable Health Care Act, just that an affordable alternative for those who can't get or afford health insurance. The greatest country on earth with the greatest economic engine cannot come up with the solution to provide basic health care for each of its citizens. This is not a democrat or republican issue. This is a United States of America Issue. Our politicians in Washington (all of them) currently have only one agenda - to get reelected. They care not about you or I or any of their constituents. They are only about retaining their job and increasing their own larder. By the way Ms-rs Cruz, Lee, Reed etal, my 75 year old mother asked if she should get a loan until the government gets back on their feet in case her pension checks don't come, which of you should I have her call.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 4:37 p.m.

    Another irony, other than the attempt to defund the already funded ACA, is now the tea party is whining that no one will compromise with them. Please see comments going back for months about how the tea party is all about no-compromise. I guess forcing yourself into a corner changes your tune.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 4:37 p.m.

    re:Bored to the point of THIS!

    So you would like the people of Utah to shout for joy over Obamacare huh? Perhaps it would do you good to speak to the thousands of Utah residents (the working ones who pay taxes) who have LOST their health insurance + watched their work hours cut to 27 per week + watched their insurance premium's double in cost and ALL due to Obamacare. Yes I am certain there is much joy blooming all over the state. I have some advise for you... change the channel away from MSNBC or CNN and actually take a look at the REAL polling data on Obamacare. It ain't pretty guy...but you won't hear that from your leftist propaganda networks. Your choice - keep your head completely buried in the sand or get outside and look around at the real world for a nice change. Unbelievable. Oh and Utah is one of the better states. Many states in the US have seen their health care premiums go up 300% because of Obamacare!!! Google it.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 4:27 p.m.


    You do realize that in political reality, Obama is about out of gas, and if his tank is not refilled next election by getting the House back, he will become as lame a duck of a President as Bush was in his last two years. And from what I've heard, the House is very likely to stay Republican. The real threat is if the Republicans pick up some seats in the Senate, which is more probable than the House going Democrat. If that happens, Obama might as well schedule two years of golf. And by the way, your side hated Bush just as much. In fact, recalling some of the things said about him, probably more.

  • Dragline Oream, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 4:22 p.m.

    We need to shut down Obamacare, Medicare, Medicaid, Veteran's healthcare, the state's pilot program for autism, and all other government programs. Just hold firm GOP. We are just starting to roll back socialism.

  • TMR Los Angeles, CA
    Oct. 1, 2013 3:51 p.m.

    To happy2bhere: in answer to your question, while there are of course events that are more destructive than the debt,your question itself is a red herring. The shutdown will not alleviate the debt, which the GOP is just as responsible for via out-of-control defense spending and the actions of the last occupant in the White House. The shutdown is a reckless ruse conducted by a party faction that lost during the last elections and wants nothing more than to hurt the man they hate more than anything else on planet earth: President Obama. As Aggie Love in his or her post said: "I love seeing Obama sweat." I have news for you haters: Obama won and this time he will stand his ground and not let the marginalized and morally bankrupt tea party sabotage the election. As John McCain puts it, elections have consequences. Deal with it.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 3:33 p.m.

    Go get 'em, Mr. President.

  • ute alumni paradise, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 2:43 p.m.

    barry is always on the campaign trail because he doesn't know how to lead. obama groupies must be proud.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 2:41 p.m.

    @Bored to the point of THIS!

    I will give you the credit should a miracle happen and it works. Will you give the respect and your vote to Republicans when it fails? It is day one and it is already failing.

    @LDS Liberal

    Your comment doesn't make sense. So you want larger and more expensive government? Please explain to me how this helps are national debt?

    Republicans slogan....."But Wait! There's more..." Yep your right, there is more. There is more uncovered garbage in the healthcare plan that we will have to fix and try to figure out how to pay for it. But don't worry, we will take care of it since the democrats can't.

    How do you left wingers see your lefty politicians. Their rhetoric often sounds great, but do you not ever ask the question of how is it going to get paid for. Your party is responsible for increasing the national debt by double. Does this not mean anything to you? Can you not see it?

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 2:34 p.m.


    How can anything be more destructive to our country than the mounting debt, currently at 17 trillion and growing? Please explain.

    But wait, I have an idea which I believe all Democrats will agree with. Instead of fighting this fight every year, why not just pass a bill that allows for a 100 trillion dollar debt. Let the Democrats sign off on it, Obama sign it, and then when the meltdown happens, the Republicans can finally blame it all on the Democrats, instead of the other way around which is what always happens in these fights.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    The Senate early Tuesday rejected the House's call to form a negotiating committee to resolve the deadlock over health care and financing the government.

    Moments after the vote, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., laid full blame on House Republicans, declaring, "The government is closed because of the irrationality of what's going on on the other side of the Capitol."

    How is it the House's fault Harry when you won't even help form a negotiating committee? Could it be because you are willing to take your ball and go home.

    I am a disabled veteran. If this goes longer than October, I am going to lose my Veteran Disability which I need. And I am all for the House holding close and doing what is right, to protect the people and risk not getting my disability. Harry Reid is not the sharpest tool in the shed and this report and quote proves it.

  • TMR Los Angeles, CA
    Oct. 1, 2013 2:16 p.m.

    The President has acquitted himself well. This shutdown is not his doing. The GOP (tea party) is the most selfish and destructive political faction that has come along in years. Let's hope this shutdown will delegitimize the tea party once and for all.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    I hope the President and the Democrats in the Senate hold their ground. The shut down is the Republican's fault. It's been three years and this is their last ditch effort to kill healthcare reform for America. I hope they fail. Once in place, I hope the people of Utah will acknowledge the success of the program. I hope the people of Utah will give credit where it is due.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    Get used to it folks --

    Republicans have always wanted a smaller, cheaper Government -- with only the "essential" Government services operating...

    You GOT it!

    Republicans next campaign slogan --

    "But Wait!, there's more..."

  • Yorkshire City, Ut
    Oct. 1, 2013 1:59 p.m.

    article: "Moments after the vote, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., laid full blame on House Republicans "


    Didn't know the House Republicans were so powerful. All this time, it seemed nothing could ever be accomplished in Washington. And then suddenly whoosh--all this is their fault.


  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 1, 2013 1:41 p.m.

    Why would the people of America, want the IRS to enforce a health plan, which the president or Congress don't want for themselves?

    If Obama really cared for people who are laid off, because of the shutdown. Why does he take hundreds of millions of our money in benefits for vacations, and campaign fund raising trips?

    Does that show care for the people, or arrogance?

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Oct. 1, 2013 1:36 p.m.

    I love seeing Obama sweat.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 1:29 p.m.

    I love what the House GOP is doing. They are passing bill after to bill to fund all parts of government with no loop holes. They are passing them over to dirty Harry in the Senate and forcing this corrupt sleazy little man to bring a vote on each bill...which he won't do of course because the last thing dirty Harry wants is for the government shut down to end. The House GOP is asking for a one year delay of this Obamacare train wreck - and it is a train wreck already as it has rolled out belching blue smoke and running on one cylinder this morning...as predicted.

  • ChristoperB Salt Lake, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 1:09 p.m.


    Stop spending.

    When barack took office the national debt was 10 trillion.

    It's now 17 trillion.

    Barack has added almost as much debt as every other president in the history of the country combined.