Blame game rife as Dems, GOP try to avert shutdown

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  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    Socialized medicine, redistribution of wealth, class warfare, forced charity, big brother, government monopoly--call it what you will. The fight over the Affordable Care Act/Obamacare represents a core division among Americans.

    These questions may help us decide:
    1. Is it constitutional for a majority of citizens and their representatives to tax themselves for the benefit of the poor?
    2. Are government assistance programs more or less efficient than private welfare?
    3. Are government assistance and private charity mutually exclusive?
    4. Does charitable giving enable bad behavior? (Assuming the poor deserve their poverty)
    5. Do the wealthy deserve their wealth? (Assuming the growing disparity in wealth is justified)

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 30, 2013 6:32 p.m.

    spring street,--people can be fooled by both republicans, and democrats. Doesn't matter.

    Voters are gullible to who makes the best promises. Doesn't matter if the promises are true or false. It's like a bruised up wife who can't understand that her husband is abusive. They can't see what Obama is doing to this country. I never believed Obama would cut the deficit in half, or not raise taxes more than a single dime. Obama Care is about control, not our health.

    Keep on believing. Maybe the light bulb will come on someday.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 3:58 p.m.

    sorry wrong year but you get the point.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 3:38 p.m.

    So then in 2006 when they voted Republicans into a majority in the house the voters were brilliant but when they elected then reelected president Obama and a majority of democrats into the senate they were suddenly stupid?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 30, 2013 2:42 p.m.

    spring street--our people lack education. That's why so many are in poverty, and can't feed themselves.

    Our voters make decisions based on pep rallies more than substance Like so many passed civilizations, and current countries. This is why dishonest leaders get into office.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 1:31 p.m.

    asks yourselves this, if defunding the ACA is so important the why after two elections were this issues has been before the voters does the GOP still lack the votes to pass a clean bill on this issue (not attach it to a must pass legislation) and why is their still a president that would veto it?

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 1:29 p.m.

    @one vote
    it is scheduled to be voted on today stop the hysterics.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 1:24 p.m.

    How many weeks of unpaid non-essential furlough are needed to balance the budget?
    I think the answer is expressed in years, maybe decades.
    Maybe we could get them to work three weeks, then take one off without pay.
    Or maybe 25% of government workers could be fired.
    Gee, that's starting to sound like real life.
    Do you know someone out of work? Maybe their company went out of business?
    In the real world you live within your means or you fold.
    But this little manufactured crisis is just a political pout. It'll be over in a few days. And we'll still be printing money and spending more than we take in.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 1:24 p.m.

    The Senate bill should be voted upon. Anything else is legislative extortion.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 30, 2013 12:11 p.m.

    Funding Obama's government with open check books, unlimited, no questions answered unaccountability, and unlimited credit cards is very, very expensive for our grandchildren. Just so no to Obama! Do it for the future of our children and grandchildren. Our nation's future economic survival is at stake!