re:Tators80% of Republicans favor “creating an insurance pool
where small businesses and uninsured have access to insurance exchanges to take
advantage of large group pricing benefits.” That’s backed by 75% of
independents.57% percent of Republicans support “providing
subsidies on a sliding scale to aid individuals and families who cannot afford
health insurance.” That’s backed by 67% of independents.54% of Republicans favor “requiring companies with more than 50
employees to provide insurance for their employers.” That’s backed
by 75 percent of independents. 52% of Republicans favor
“allowing children to stay on parents insurance until age 26.”
That’s backed by 69% of independents.78% of Republicans
support “banning insurance companies from denying coverage for
pre-existing conditions; 86 percent of Republicans favor “banning
insurance companies from cancelling policies because a person becomes
ill.” Those are backed by 82 percent of independents and 87 percent of
independents.(Ipsos-Reuters Poll 2012)Factcheck (2012)"The CBO report shows that the gross (not NET)yearly costs of ACA are
likely to be 8.6% higher (not double) than originally estimated."
If defunding the ACA is as popular an idea as the GOP would like us to believe
then why are the votes not there in both houses and a president in office to do
so? there is a reason they have to try to piggy back such a bad idea onto such
serious legislation instead of letting it stand on its own.
JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt--Please! All American wars combined, doesn't
equal trillions.A million is a thousand , thousands, a billion is a
thousand million, and a trillion is a thousand billion.
@ alt134:Try harder to keep up on current news. Conservatives have
offered a compromise that does NOT entail defunding Obamacare... just delaying
it for a year while very obvious flaws can be corrected, which is not at all
unreasonable... especially since Obama has already issued similar exemptions to
unions and other special interest groups who supported him. American people
truly deserve the same type of consideration as Obama's special interest
groups are getting. It's now the liberals who are unwilling to
compromise whatsoever. If the government does get shut down, it should be on
their heads, regardless of how the liberal media tries to spin it. One other thing. The general population is NOT rejecting Obamacare in the
polls because it isn't liberal enough. That's simply crazy talk. They
are rejecting it because it's already costing thousands of jobs and turning
tens of thousands more into part-time jobs. Even the Congressional Budget Office
has recently released numbers showing that Obamacare is now going to cost at
least double what the administration originally estimated... the phony numbers
they used to sell it. Most people now see it as the huge train-wreck it is.
Senator McCain called the tea party "wacko birds". This sounds like an
in fight. Sit back and watch if the tea party take over the United States.
Bungalow,You point out why reid, BO, and the dems are willing to shut down
the government despite the damage it will do to the economy – because they
will win political points. Winning political points is more important to the
dems than is the good of the country.T-seeker,There are 55
some-odd senators and one potus holding the economy hostage.Tators,Why do you think I leave “truth” out of
t-seeker’s name? don’t forget that BO already made exceptions for
corporations, delaying their implementation for 1 year. Libs are always
complaining that the scotus calls corporations people, but now BO is treating
corporations BETTER than people, yet still the libs grovel at his feet.atl134You admit the repubs had a plan! Finally turned on something
beside msnbc? There may be hope for you yet.
Here's the thing. Yes, polls show more disapprove of Obamacare than approve
of it. However, a decent number of those that disapprove want it to be more
liberal, not more conservative. They may not like Obamacare, but they dislike
the Republican alternative even more. So polling shows that repeal of Obamacare
has only 38% support to 44% opposition (CNBC poll). Even more people don't
like using the threat of a shutdown to accomplish it. When tied to the idea of
threatening shutdown if not defunded, only 19% support defunding Obamacare
compared to 59% who oppose defunding Obamacare at the threat of shutdown.
@ Truthseeker (again):Please don't try to make us believe that
Obamacare was the only issue facing this nation during the last election. There
were and are multiple issues that go into voting for or against any particular
person running for Congress or any other position. It's extremely naive to
believe all voting results were simply about Obamacare last election and nothing
else. As such, Republicans aren't forgetting anything concerning this
issue. In fact, Obamacare could very well be the Democrats undoing this next
election.As articulated in my comment above, what Republicans are
now doing is exactly in line with what all latest polls show the American public
wants. This entire issue would be different if Obamacare is what the majority of
the people want. But it isn't. Obamacare grows more unpopular by the
week... as more and more becomes known about it. It makes you sound like an
extremist for labeling representatives who are trying to follow the dictates of
what the majority of Americans now want. As Obamacare now stands, the majority
of people... regardless of political party do NOT want Obamacare. Until that
changes, your argument simply doesn't carry any weight.
Government shutdown? Obamacare unfunded?We can only dream of such a
magnificent convergence of events....shutting it all down. That
said, I don't wish ill will on people who are working and need to be
paid.The reality is that the two sides need to come together and
attempt to fix at least some of the glaring flaws in the unaffordable care
act.The reality is mandating coverage for everyone and everything
very obviously dramatically RAISES costs. Then to compound the problem oblamo
has given exemptions to as many as 80% of the poor who won't be able to
afford healthcare premiums.Can yo see where this is going?
Dramatically higher costs and exemptions for the majority of those that were
supposed to be contributing so it would/could be affordable.The math
only works for democrats because all this does is create massive deficits and
the people picking up the tab now will just be getting a bigger bill so all the
people without coverage get coverage at our expense.The democrats
knew this is how it would work and planned it this way from the beginning. Just
another way to mandate access to working peoples money.
Well I, for one, don't want affordable health care for the working folks of
this country.I want to make sure our effective and competent
legislators in Congress have access to the best health care. After all,
they are doing a wonderful job representing us in Washington D.C.
Democrats who are confident Republicans will be blamed for the shutdown need to
reckon with the Koch Bros. funded media machine which is today working overtime
to smear Obama.
Don't lose track of the conservative agenda. It is defunding of the ACA,
defunding of social security, and defunding of medicare. Keep your eye on the
ker:Let's try sticking to the truth here. Republicans sent
their latest bill (which was made by full House vote) back to the Senate, which
contained a compromise. It does NOT defund Obamacare... it only delays
implementation for a year while obvious issues in it can be changed. Obama has
already given exemptions to unions and special interest groups. Why not allow
the same courtesy to the American people? Isn't it interesting that Obama
and Congress have exempted themselves from this law, but the Democrats still
want to force it on the American people without further debate or any compromise
whatsoever?You also forgot to mention that the solid majority of the
people... those who voted in Obama... are now solidly OPPOSED to Obamacare. As
more becomes known about it, the more unpopular it gets with the general public.
Every national poll now indicates that. Why is it "lunacy" for the
majority of the House of Representatives to listen to the people who voted them
in and try to allow the wishes of this majority to be represented?If
this is Obama's signature accomplishment, it doesn't say much for him
This shutdown is politics. Stupid politics of the worst kind.
jjjsh........ glad you are a former repub. yomama needs more like you
There are approximately 120 legislators out of 535 in Congress who are holding
the economy hostage. There are enough votes in the House to pass the Senate
bill, but Boehner won't let it come up for a vote. The Republicans expect
Obama--who won re-election by a significant margin--to abandon his signature
accomplishment. This is nothing more than sheer lunacy. Republicans also
ignore the fact that Democrats got more votes for Congressional seats than
Republicans did the last election. There is a small but very energized extreme
group in the Republican Party that took advantage of gerrymandering to enshrine
themselves into power-- and now they are doing what extremists do.
Shut it down! Shut it down!!
Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, and the most of the House Republicans are acting like
toddlers. Screaming and crying for something they know they can't have. The
ACA has been vetted by all branches of the Government and it is set to become
the law of the land. Holding the entire country hostage over one piece of
legislation, though imperfect, has a good chance to slightly improve the health
care system, is extremely childish.
There are only two words needed to describe Congress: Greed and Stupidity
/@ JohnJacob...:You are grossly exaggerating to make a point. The
Iraq war (in response to 9/11) cost was approximately a trillion (not multiple)
over most of a decade. That's about the same of the infamous stimulus
package that Obama implemented in his first year... that seemed to have very
little effect and much of which could never be accounted for. Obama
added more to the insane federal deficit in his first 2 years in office than
Bush did during his entire 8 years. Obama has added almost as much to the
federal deficit with his record spending than all other presidential
administrations since WWII COMBINED. One thing he has yet to learn... the laws
of economics will not roll over and play dead just for him. There is always
accountability in economics just like any other laws of science. House Republicans have offered a compromise with Senate Democrats, which is
the logical thing to do in this situation. They've offered to leave
Obamacare intact, but delay certain parts of it for a year while they can be
examined and improved upon. But Democrats are unwilling to compromise. A
shutdown would be on them.
To Jay: Was Cheney conservative enough for you, or should the GOP go right off
the table with someone like Santorum, Bachmann or Perry? Cheney in the White
House? Hmm. If we could just get him to leave his guns locked up somewhere else.
Shall we continue to give Obama's government an open check book, unlimited
unaccountability and open ended credit card accounts or do we say, enough is
The Obama-Reid shutdown could indeed be harmful, but will be overplayed by the
Democrats and the media, and the blame will once again be misplaced. And of
course whenever someone points out the utter failure of our liberals in
Washington, they resounding and ever-present battle cry is, "Look at George
W. Bush!" Yeah, I never viewed George W. Bush as any kind of conservative,
but going from the frying pan into the fire is not the answer we need right now.
We need some folks who will actually represent the taxpayers, workers, and
families of Utah and America. People like Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy
Pelosi are representing the other side quite vigorously.
JJJHSWell, I for one Republican, was here criticizing the long
lasting wars, with no ending goal. I was, along with the likes of Sean Hannity,
was criticzing Bushs'overspending on many government programs that took us
to the 10 trillion dollar debt when he left office. And I was in agreement with
the 30% popularity rating Bush had when he left office. Now, if only Obama
would get the same treatment for taking the 10 trillion to 17 trillion, and the
Democrats and rest of the country would hold Obama to the same accountability
they did Bush.
The Senate will act to shut down the government by refusing to pass the House
bill which funds everything, but delays implementation of Obamacare for a year,
and kills the ruinous and counterproductive tax on medical devices.Then hypocrite Harry Reid will blast the House for delaying, although the
Senate skipped town for a 3 day weekend instead of sticking around to vote on
the lates bill passed by the House.Obama, has all along refused to
negotiate at all with Republicans, spent last week negotiating (and getting
snookered by) Iranian terrorist puppet masters, and then playing golf (again).
But, he will blast the Republicans for not surrendering the House's
Constitutional power to legislate.The House is trying to fix
problems, the Democrats are trying to win political points and spend themselves
into perpetual power by giving away "free stuff" we cannot ever pay
for.We will be better off with the government shut down, as long as
it is controlled by Obama and his cronies.
As a former Republican I have to ask you fiscally conservative just one
thing.WHERE were you responsible fiscal hawks when GW Bush was
spending TRILLIONS on 2 wars, TRILLIONS on Medicare Part D, Trillions on
stimulus packages and tax cuts? NOW you care about the deficit? How noble of
you all. The first couple TRILLION didn't bother any of you? I never
heard any of my fellow Republicans complain about the spending either Bush did.
No fear!Obama, and Congress will get paid.