Obama's no-negotiation stance setting new tone

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  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 2:11 p.m.

    President Obama should not have to compromise. He won the election. The election served as a mandate to him and his programs, most notably Obamacare.

    What is wrong with allowing the majority of American's to have their way? I'm asking all you 'haters' out there?

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 30, 2013 6:40 a.m.

    Lost in DC,

    How do you figure the 2010 election was about the ACA. It was a typical mid term election when the economy is struggling and the party out of control picks up a lot of seats. I know you like to pretend like the 2012 election didn't happen, but with the economy still bad, with the horrible ACA, with all the other horrible things that the President has done, why did he win in a landslide? Why did a lot of republicans not even vote? Why did the republicans not regain the Senate?

    Wait I will answer the question, it was the 47% that get all the government giveaways. It was the press that lies and distorts the poor republicans.

    I have an idea, how about the republicans come up with some ideas to solve the health care issue? Anyone can say no, but it takes real leaders to put a plan in place.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 29, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    Over half our people are on benefits, in debt, and being fed by a government seventeen trillion dollars in debt. That's $560,000 for every second in a year. I'd say we're already a third world country, and getting further in decline.

    If Obama was a football coach, people would be wanting him fired.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Sept. 28, 2013 7:53 p.m.

    worf, would accusing Obama of "road rage" be like accusing Texans of not having enough self-esteem? As for the 3rd world thing, how long do we have until your prediction is judged to have been wrong?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 28, 2013 6:28 p.m.

    Impressed with someone transforming our country into a third world country is very smart.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Sept. 28, 2013 2:48 p.m.

    I am impressed with Obama's patience with Republicans considering all the things that have been thrown at him. Accusing him of "road rage" is like describing worf as "funny". Heh.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 28, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    Obama behind the wheel in heavy traffic is scary. This guy has road rage.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Sept. 28, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    Badger, ACA has passed all three branches of government. It has similarities with the systems of dozens of other countries, none of which have returned to anything like our old system. "Bow down and worship" is your term, not mine, but when the GOP line seems to be "give us everything we demand, or the country gets it", we can be sure that politics has never left the top of their list since McConnell described his job as removing Obama.

  • Copy Cat Murray, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 1:44 a.m.

    ‘Obama's no-negotiation stance setting new tone’

    Exactly what is new about Obama refusing to negotiate? It is exactly what we have seen for 5 1/2 years now.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 28, 2013 1:44 a.m.

    The problem with Obama, is that you can't trust the words coming out of his mouth.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 12:00 a.m.

    So Mark B, with you it is all about making conservatives bow down and worship.

    I will just remind you that in the end, we are all in the same country. If your party 'wins' at all cost, the cost is the well-being of the country, and everyone in it.

    It is very clear that the ACA is not affordable, nor does it allow us to keep our current plans because they are disappearing from the market. It is not ready to implement, and it just may be that it is so big and cumbersome, 2400 pages of cumbersome, that it will never be ready, because it will never work.

    I look at Primary Children's Hospital, Shriner's Hospital, St Jude's, etc, and see that we are totally capable of taking care of the poor without the federal government taking over health care.

    The conservatives don't want the ACA, and the liberals don't want it either (because they want a single payer system). Clearly the ACA is not what anyone wants, so why fund it?

    Oh yeah, because stomping on the conservatives is what is important to liberals, I remember now.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Sept. 27, 2013 9:31 p.m.

    Do you think that Republicans would give Obama any credit for caving into GOP demands? Or would they crow about Obama "backing down" and how "weak" any compromise would show him to be? No. He has made the correct decision, and the public will eventually see how looney the GOP approach really is.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 4:58 p.m.


    Trouble is, all of you Obama supporters have always claimed the Republicans just want to have it their way or no way. Now your guy is doing the same. You can't defend Obama for doing what you say the Republicans are doing. Can't have it both ways.

  • patriot vet Cedar City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    America is moving from the post-Cold-War economy to a modern economy. We still pay a huge part of our budget for Vietnam-era military weapons. We need to shift the budget to taking care of our citizens.

    Obamacare is a leading-edge plan that will pay great dividends to us soon. ACA's preventive health care, shared access and coverage will elevate our care for each other. Shifting from an offensive/defensive nation to a take-care-of-each-other nation is indeed the future.

    There is a religious element to this, but I won't get into that.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 1:51 p.m.

    why is the government's resonsiblilty to provide healthcare?

    I can say the dems have had control of the WH and senate since 2008, but they haven't stopped my snoring. shame on them! bad dems!!!!

  • The Solution Las Cruces, NM
    Sept. 27, 2013 1:11 p.m.

    So the president wants to continue implementing the economic stifling ACA (that only individuals will have to follow because the mandate has been delayed a year for businesses) then increase the debt ceiling?

    We the American people already demonstrated how we feel about this issues in 2010. Don't blame the few like Ted Cruz who do not want bankrupting the country on their hands during their watch.

    We are tired of CRs. Where the heck is the budget. And quit saying the republicans are to blame because they only block and never come up with anything. They have submitted two major budget plans that were rejected by Reid and the senate.

    At this point I say go all in. Let Pres. Obama and the democrats have their way. Let them bankrupt America and the world. And let be know that it was them that did it, because republicans were called on to "compromise."

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 12:59 p.m.


    It's not unreasonable, but the way the GOP has been approaching the Health Care debate has been unreasonable. The GOP had the Presidency, the Senate, and the House from 2000-2006 and did NOTHING about Health Care except pass Medicare Part D, which was a big money giveaway to the Pharmaceutical Industry. This program wasn't paid for...along with the two wars started during this time.

    I personally would prefer a single-payer system to take the burden off the employers, or failing that, a government option to keep the other Insurance Companies honest. If they say governement is inefficient, then why did they go running for toilet paper when they thought they would have to compete with a government option. There is no true free market now--just a monopoly of a few conglomerates who have the Congress on the payroll.

    As for the Senate passing a budget, how can they do anything with the 60-vote rule? A Ted Cruz or Mike Lee could stop everything. They remind me of the kids on the beach who lie in wait to knock over the sand castles that people build--and are about as logical as these kids.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Sept. 27, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    Two years ago Pres. Obama volunteered that we should cut $4 trillion from the deficit. Yeah for him! He wanted a symbolic increase in taxes for the rich based on his principle of fairness. He got that out.

    Now, it is time, after talking for decades, it is finally time to sit down and start cutting somethings. I would propose means testing wealthy retirees so we are not subsidizing an AARP lifestyle. Hutterite would like to cut military spending. Hey, that's probably OK.

    Ok, Pres. Obama, it is time to start cutting. You've gotten your symbolic increase in taxes on the wealthy. It is time. Start cutting. $4 trillion is the mark.

    Or was this all a bluff Oh, you mean like your red line? Well, the GOP isn't bluffing and you are. Give in. Say you've "evolved".

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 11:59 a.m.

    2010 was about obamacare, and BO got creamed. 2012 was about much more than obamacare.

    BO has NEVER meant to be bi-partisan. His first comments “the repubs can come along if they want, but they’ll have to ride in the back” were just the beginning. He is continually calling names and belittling those who disagree with him. But what can you expect, that is typical dem behavior.

    Like BO who will shut down the government if doesn’t get what he wants? The repubs HAVE compromised – they allowed a tax hike. BO hasn’t. To be fair, he tried once, but harry and chuckie undercut him.

    In this case BO is letting the economy crash rather than delay the implementation of his horrible health insurance law that is already crashing the economy. Obamacare is more important to him than every other function of government. harry and BO can prevent the government shutdown, but they want it so they can score political points

    The repubs are not treating BO with anywhere near the disrespect and disdain he shows them.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 11:52 a.m.

    If you actually read the Republicans demands they are essentially telling the president that they are going to force the nation into default unless he enacts Mitt Romney's agenda. Romney lost. You'll have another chance in 2016, until then it's not going to happen.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    I think Republicans could call for increasing the debt limit AND delaying implementation of the ACA. The insurance exchanges are not ready. Government agencies are not ready for the ACA either. It needs to be delayed one year as it has been for businesses.

    Likewise, Congress and other political leaders should not exempt themselves from this law or any law. Certainly Obama, Democrats and Republicans can agree upon these things.

    One final item: Obama and the Senate must submit a real budget. How can politicians, especially Obama, justify raising the debt ceiling when he and the Senate have failed to pass a budget for the past 4 years?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    Compromise involves both sides offering something. In this case Republicans are giving up letting the economy crash in exchange for Obama giving up his healthcare law. Apparently Republicans consider destroying our economy to be something of value...

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    When the POTUS treats the repubs the way they have treated him the repubs and their fans complain...

    What goes around has come around.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 11:25 a.m.

    As opposed to the Republicans who want to defund Obamacare and if they don't get what they want they'll let the gov't be shut down? Compromise involves both sides giving up something. Instead Republicans are hostage takers, threatening to shoot the economy if their demands aren't met.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 11:15 a.m.

    So much for Mr. Obama's promise for a post-partisan approach to politics. Compromise seems to apply only to the other guy.

  • ute alumni paradise, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 11:12 a.m.

    the king of community organizers giving advise....classic, especially in light of his vast leadership experience. it is interesting to see that even with barry's track record of nothing his supporters continue to follow him. what a country.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 10:27 a.m.

    It's about time he started stepping up. We could have had a proper health care system instead of this.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 27, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    @ Selznick. Its hard to win elections against Santa Claus with all his "free" gifts and entitlements. Now, if we can only find a way to pay for it all. After all by the time we elect a new President we will owe our grandchildren $20 trillion and they won't mind, will they? As long as we get ours! Selling our children's birthright for a free lunch today!

  • Selznik Saint George, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    Don't forget the country had a choice on the ACA in the last presidential election.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 27, 2013 7:27 a.m.

    And Democrats call the GOP "the party of no"? Obama's way or the highway!