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  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 11:54 a.m.


    Check the polls. Obamacare has never been popular with the majority. And many Republicans in 2010 ran on getting rid of it. And again in the 2012 election. The "peoples" house belongs to the Republicans.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 24, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    lost in DC,

    "how convenient of you to forget the 2010 election, which was tied DIRECTLY to how the people felt about obamacare". I voted in that election and I did not say any ballot initiative related to obamacare, did I miss something. If you are trying to say that the tea party crew picked up a few seats I am well aware of that. It appears you are trying to forget about the 2012 election, when the people overwhelming put the President back in office, and left the Senate in control of the democrats.

    In terms of the Utahn's that do pay taxes, let me help you, most families with 4 or more kids paid little to no federal income taxes. Many people who have those sweet multi level marketing businesses and write everything off as a business loss didn't pay federal income taxes.

    Lastly when you say "Calling the victim the perpetrator as you are doing is typical dem strategy". I can only guess you are referring to the suggestion that we return pre Regean taxing of the wealthy. Only the republicans could take those that have those most and make them victims. Pretty lame

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    This President will make every effort to make a crisis even when that wasn't the intent of the other party.

    His crisis started when he was the Nobel Peace person when he hadn't even done anything. Then he had the Senate and Congress pass a law without reading it at his request and arm twisting.

    We don't have intelligent voters. Those that should vote felt their vote wouldn't be worth anything. Actually, the coverage of the Hurricane Sandy and President walking around with his diversion tactic New Jersey governor made news for a week. The President had 24/7 coverage from almost all media sources to get out of the Benghazi flack. He had to make sure Hillary and Kerry were set up for change out along with Panetta and Hagel so they weren't in his administration to answer difficult questions.

    The President didn't trust Biden to say anything at that time as the President did all the talking.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 8:26 a.m.

    you mean those voters in 2012 who rejected romeny, on whose plan obamacare was based? no, just shows they rejected obamacare twice.

  • Sorry Charlie! SLC, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 3:13 p.m.

    How convenient to of you to dismiss the will of those same voters you agreed with in 2010 in 2012 when they made a different decision. they most have been so bright in 2010 but so dim witted in 2012.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 3:10 p.m.

    Since they were not being offered benefits before, it’s OK to cut their hours by 10%? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense!

    You may not have forgotten 2010, but you sure ignored it. the LARGEST turnover in the house in 80 years! no way did romney's defeat come anywhere near that!

    Still playing class warfare “that’s how repubs think…”
    Calling the victim the perpetrator as you are doing is typical dem strategy.

    From what section of thin air are you pulling your “good republicans in Utah pay not taxes” comment?
    Another typical dem strategy – make stuff up

    Control of the senate and WH does not give you a dictatorship – you need to remind BO of that.

    what section of obamacare controls costs? Hint – it’s not in there. Obamacare does NOTHING to control costs. You admit the decline in increases has more to do with BO’s morose economy than obamacare.

    Old man
    Just when the dems in Congress and the WH do something incredibly stupid that seems as though nothing could possibly be worse, they find a way to do it.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 1:09 p.m.

    Just when the GOP in Congress does something incredibly stupid that seems as though nothing could possibly be worse, they find a way to do it.

  • Something to think about Ogden, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:48 p.m.

    If health care costs go up it will be because of the providers not the government. Everyone who cries about the rising cost of health care if Obamacare goes into effect has set the table! Those people have provided the "out" the health care industry needs to raise their rates. I believe it is that simple! The reality of it all is that the health care industry will have more business than ever before, thus more profits based on the volume side of things. Raising cost won't be to insure profit, it will be for the cause of greed.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    "Insurance costs have multiplied."

    That's false. Insurance rates have gone up the last three years at the slowest rates in half a century (this is mostly attributable to the recession rather than Obamcare, after all most of Obamacare hasn't gone into effect yet).

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    lost in DC,

    Didn't forget at all about 2010 elections but it appears that you forgot about 2012. Democrats control the Senate and the White House. Control of one House does not give you a dictatorship in our current form of government.

    2012 was the result of Obama waging class warfare? That is hilarious, Romney's 47% comment was not a gaff it was how he and most of the republicans feel including the many good republicans in Utah that pay no taxes (its ok for them not to pay its those dang liberals that don't pay that are evil). Class warfare against the poor was and is still a republican strategy, not a very good one but oh well.

    It always kills me to listen to the good republicans, the polls don't matter, they are biased and we shouldn't govern by polls, unless of course the polls happen to agree with your position at that moment and then we should do the will of the American people.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    Can't we find a way to just shut down the US Congress? That would be progress, I believe.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 10:13 a.m.

    "the republicans can come along for the ride if they want, but they'll have to ride in the back of the bus"

    that was BO's attitude when he first took office, and it has never changed. Who is really unwilling to compromise?

    how convenient of you to forget the 2010 election, which was tied DIRECTLY to how the people felt about obamacare.

    2012 was the result of romney's gaff about the 47% and BO successfully waging class warfare

    look at the polls. a clear majority oppose obamacare.

    Mike is correct - BO cares more about obamacare than he does about the rest of the government and all its other programs.

    Sept. 23, 2013 10:02 a.m.

    Mike says, Since it passed, hundreds of thousands of workers have had their hours shortened. Insurance costs have multiplied.

    I seem to recall double digit increases in the costs of insurance long before anyone ever mentioned "Obamacare."

    The vast majority of the "hundreds of thousands" of workers who have had their hours cut were already working part-time. Their weekly hours were cut from 32 (the previous maximum to avoid benefits) to 29. Their employers never offered them benefits and wanted to continue to not offer them benefits.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 23, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    Mike Richards,

    The will of the people? So you are saying that because the House is controlled by the republicans the Senate and President should bow to their demands? Wow, we really don't need a President and a Senate if their job is to simply rubber stamp the House votes. Lets save a little money and do away with them.

    Some people might say that Since the democrats control both the Senate and the White House that if the republicans in the House wanted to get something accomplished, they would sit down and have a discussion like they have been elected to do, and then truly work out a compromise.

    Contrary to the tea party belief, the definition of compromise is not "I will tell you what I want and then you will agree to it". Most people would say compromise means you win a little and you lose a little. Most people would also say that when you one side has the Senate and the Presidency, then they other side should be a little more contrite in their demands.

    Ah the new world as seen through the tea party eyes, black is white and white is black.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 23, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    Obama thinks that his ObamaCare is more important to Americans than every other Federal Government program. He believes in ObamaCare so much that he refuses to implement it. He believes in ObamaCare so much that he has disobeyed the law and given everyone an extra year to comply. Isn't that noble of him - to keep the effects of ObamaCare from us until after the next election.

    Not one Republican voted for ObamaCare. 59% of the people asked Congress NOT to pass ObamaCare. Only after the "Louisiana purchase", concessions made to Nebraska, removing union compliance with ObamaCare, and skirting the rules, did ObamaCare pass.

    Since it passed, hundreds of thousands of workers have had their hours shortened. Insurance costs have multiplied. And Obama is telling us how wonderful it will be.

    It's time to stop this liberal nonsense. We are still a nation where the House represents the will of the people. The people have said NO to ObamaCare.

    The Democrats can shutdown the government. They can take full responsibility.

    Will the Deseret News report on WHO has refused to let the Senate vote on the budget? (It's a Democrat whose last name rhymes with "Reid".)

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 7:13 a.m.

    Do you suppose these congresspersons even notice that 90% of us have written them off as a dysfunctional group of narcissists?
    Or, as Mark Twain called them - that great, benevolent asylum for the helpless.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 7:04 a.m.

    Scare tactics can only work for so long till the other side will say go head make my day.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 6:29 a.m.

    "Rep. Tom Graves, R-Ga., said the goal was to defund the president's health care legislation for at least one more year, if not forever. If the government shuts down, it will be because Obama refused to compromise, he said."


    Ya, right. We know who it is that won't "compromise".