John Swallow should resign

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  • MTerry SANDY, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 3:08 p.m.

    Regardless of Swallow's guilt or innocence, the allegations against him will never allow him to have the credibility his position as chief law enforcer of the state deserves.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 24, 2013 8:35 a.m.

    Mike --
    Nice rant again about "innocent until PROVEN guilty", etc.. etc..

    So, I'll ask - again --

    What "crimes" has Pres. Obama been found guilty of?

    BTW --
    This is the very same met and measure you are defending John Swallow with.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 24, 2013 8:08 a.m.

    @Mike Richards..... you said "The State has not dismissed Bengahzi, Fast and Furious, Solyndra, the IRS scandal, the AP scandal, the NSA scandal"...

    Pardon me, but are there legal proceeding going on for any of these events that you claim Obama had personal and direct criminal involvement in. In order to "dismiss" something, there needs to be a criminal charge. Are you telling us that criminal charges have been raised against the President of the United States for these events?

    You see, as you say, in my house, we don't go around making up accusations, and we making claims of criminal indictment - when there are none. You may not like what happened in these events. I think the one regarding the IRS is one f the more worrisome.

    But Solyndra was no more criminal than was the rescue of Chrysler some two decades ago. You may not like government funding of startups - its a debatable point - but it has been done for over 150 years, and isn't illegal.

    Your sense of innocent unless proven guilty seems to be very partisan biased.

  • Cincinnatus Kearns, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 10:21 p.m.

    Mike Richards,

    I will agree with you that AG Swallow is innocent until proven guilty. Though my opinion is that he should resign, that decision is ultimately up to him.

    The Justice Department discontinued their investigation of criminal acts. They did not "drop any charges," because he hadn't been brought up on any. The allegations they were investigating proved either untrue, or, ultimately unprovable in court.


    He is still being investigated by the Lt. Governor's office for possibly violating Utah election laws.

    He is still being investigated by the Utah Bar Association for possible breaches of professional conduct.

    He is still being investigated by the Utah House Committee for conduct that could cause a lack of trust in an official.

    A man is innocent until proven guilty- but, there needs to be an investigation in order to determine if there is sufficient evidence to charge him. Simply dropping all investigations because one was dropped is unrealistic. They are all looking at different things.

    A man is innocent until proven guilty- yet almost daily you come on these boards and castigate President Obama. Perhaps YOU should wait until the investigations are done.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 4:33 p.m.

    If John was having extramarital affairs I would care much, much, less as that is a personal moral decision involving him and his.

    There were plenty of things I thought Clinton messed up and should have been accountable to the people for, Sex was not one of them.

    The Charges have not been dismissed, one of at least 3 have, another half truth.

    You say I excuse him (Obama) for what he has done" which is What exactly Mike, you see I don't listen to radio entertainers for news and I haven't seen where charges have been filed anywhere against him.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 4:13 p.m.

    I apologize if I'm wrong in my assessment above, but I have trouble believing that anyone so impervious to reason is sincere.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 2:50 p.m.

    Internet slang: "A troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people by posting inflammatory, extraneous or off-topic messages in an online community, either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

    Now, of whom does that remind you? You respond, he wins. Ignore him.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Sept. 23, 2013 2:27 p.m.

    Well, it is good to know that you would never "show nothing but contempt for the office of president"

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:42 p.m.

    Liberal, Joe and Heritic,

    Following your scheme, the accused would be beheaded at the first sign of misconduct and then apologies would be offered when you were found to be in error.

    I don't know which country you people are citizens of, but your ideas are totally foreign to America where we are innocent until PROVEN guilty. Your strawman arguments make about as much sense as your rush to judgement to convict Swallow.

    Your desire to absolve Obama for high crimes and misdemeanors show nothing but contempt for the office of President. You excuse him for what he has done, but history will show that he and you thumbed your noses at America. You vilified Nixon and Bush for doing much less than Obama has done, yet you turn a blind eye to Obama's actions as you continue to disparage REPUBLICAN Presidents. Talk about hypocrisy! There is no end to it when liberals support Obama without requiring any responsiblity from him or from his administration.

    Charges against Swallow have been dismissed. If you continue to demand that he be removed from office, you will be showing comtempt for the American justice system.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    LDS Liberal,
    So... you think politicians should resign based on "loss of public confidence"...? Let's see if that's true.

    What's President Obama's current approval rating?
    Answer: Most recent Gallup poll had it at 45%. Should he resign?
    Where's the consistency?

    At one time he had a 39% approval rating. Should he have been out of office then?

    His term average is 49%. Should we throw him out?


    If truly he must resign due to "loss of public confidence - regardless of legal findings"...

    Must everyone in Congress resign? They currently have a 14% approval rating. That's probably lower than Swallow. At least THEY lost public approval based on their performance in office (not because of something that happened BEFORE they took office and hasn't affected their performance in office).

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 12:04 p.m.

    Happy Valley Heretic,
    RE his "Questionable morals"... and people's "moral foundation"...

    You of all people harping on "morals" and wanting to throw a politician out because of his "questionably morals"...!

    And then you go on a rant about people's "Consistency".

    Let's try a little consistency check here...

    Were you for throwing President Clinton out because of "questionable morals"?

    So... where's the consistency?

    In your own words... "Consistency would help your credibility which is more partisan than credible"

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:51 a.m.

    Mike said: "As far as the government is concerned, John Swallow committed no crime."
    That's only one of several Government agencies investigating multiple indiscretions by a ethically devoid Attorney General.

    Is Obama up on criminal charges for anything you mentioned? I didn't think so.
    So your wild conspiracy theory's are not a defense, on the other hand Swallow is up on charges in at least 3 other cases.
    and yet you continue your rant against a man not even being charged, It's easy to see how politics control your "moral stances" more than actual facts.

    When John said "Do they know about the boat"
    I'm sure he meant to write down that bribe, or at least if they knew about it.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:48 a.m.


    If you had a daughter in high school and a male teacher had inappropriate conversations with her, it could be very likely that no laws would have been broken. (of course that would depend on the extent of the inappropriate conversation)

    I can only assume that you would be calling for this this teachers job.

    One does not always need to break the law to be unfit for a job.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    @Mike Richards
    South Jordan, Utah

    I don't know how things work in your house, but in my house, we believe that a citizen is innocent until proven guilty.


    In my house, Pres. Obama is innocent until proven guilty.
    And your little court of public opinion is run amok daily.

    And yes, John Swallow needs to resign based on his loss of public confidence - regardless of legal findings.

    Richard Nixon by comparison at least showed integrity.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    Not again...

    The Feds decided he did nothing illegal. The Utah investigation hasn't resulted in any charges yet. And yet you think he should be removed because YOU want him out.

    How about we give politicians the same due process the constitution provides all American Citizens?

    Until he is charged with something... and found guilty by a jury of his peers, he's innocent. That's how it works.

    You can say you don't LIKE him (or something he did). But just because you don't like him or what he did doesn't mean he has to do as you say and leave office just because you want him to. There's a process for this (impeachment or wait till next election)

    If you can wait till the next election, THEN you get to tell him to leave office because you don't like him.

    That's the way it works in the United States. We're not a banana republic, where we throw elected officials out of office without charges or conviction.

    Until he's impeached... he has every right to stay in office.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:37 a.m.

    "Do they know about the boat?"
    Yes, we now know about the boat. That's all we need to know.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 23, 2013 11:04 a.m.


    I don't know how things work in your house, but in my house, we believe that a citizen is innocent until proven guilty. We believe that if the government doesn't have sufficient evidence to prove its case, that no prosecution should take place. The government failed to find sufficient evidence that a crime had been committed to prosecute John Swallow. As far as the government is concerned, John Swallow committed no crime.

    By the way, Obama hasn't had his day in court - yet. The State has not dismissed Bengahzi, Fast and Furious, Solyndra, the IRS scandal, the AP scandal, the NSA scandal or any of the other scandals that he has been part of, no matter how he tries to blame others instead of taking responsibility for his own actions. He told us that the "buck" stops with him, but that was just another "tall tale". The government hasn't even dismissed the "shady dealings" in the transfer of property to him in Chicago. He's got a long road ahead of him.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    On one hand we have a man that can't make ends meet with a salary at more than twice the Utah average and on the other we have a man that has followed the examples of Congress and the Legislature with legal or otherwise bribery. Things like this are only acceptable with the ruling class.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    If politicians talk the conservative talk, they get a pass.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Sept. 23, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    Prosecution vs Resign are two different things.

    Maybe there is insufficient evidence for a criminal charge, but as attorney general, he has certainly crossed the line. That much is obvious.

    Just like police and school teachers, an Attorney General should be held to a higher standard in order to keep their job.

    Do we want our elected officials to be just above the "nothing technically illegal" benchmark?

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    If you listened to the tape it's obvious to all, that Swallow was aware of his questionable morals when he asked "do they know about the boat?" and met at a doughnut shop far from his office. When a criminal records you because they know there's a good possibility of you lying later, that say a lot about your moral foundation.

    Please Mike, Daily you accuse Obama of things for which you have zero evidence, but that's never stopped you from wanting him tarred and feathered. You want him shamed. You want him to resign in disgrace.
    Consistency would help your credibility which is more partisan than credible.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 23, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    Maybe someone has an opinion about Steve Earley's character. It doesn't matter if that opinion is true or false. All that matters is that someone has an opinion and that he has a venue to express that opinion.

    After all the hoopla that has taken place, charges were dropped against John Swallow. That doesn't satisfy John Swallow's detractors. They want him tarred and feathered. They want him shamed. They want him to resign in disgrace.

    For what? For being innocent of all of all charges that would require him to resign. What has he done as Attorney General that would cause him to be prosecuted? The voters "vetted" him and elected him in spite of the claim by a felon that Mr. Swallow should be prosecuted. That election is not good enough for those who continue to throw mud at Mr. Swallow. They want blood, no matter the facts and no matter that the Federal Government dropped the case.

    Maybe it's time that we started looking into the lives of those who want Mr. Swallow out of office. If we look hard enough, we'll surely find something embarrassing.

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 7:19 a.m.

    Nice argument except your two ideas have nothing to do with each other. Greg Bell is a good, likable guy and John Swallow is not as likable but we don't know if Swallow is a good guy, the Feds say he is. We have been taught our whole lives of innocent until proven guilty and that theory we have all accepted should be allowed to work here. Be patient, the truth will surface.

  • Sandy Citizen50 SANDY, UT
    Sept. 23, 2013 7:07 a.m.

    To Steve Earley, I think that you are a little extreme in your comments. Do you personally know John Swallow as I do? My kids have been in Mr Swallow's home and tell me that the Swallow's are very kind and generous people. The Fed's recently dropped their investigation of Mr Swallow because there there is no evidence of wrong doing. I suspect that the State's investigation will probably find some impropriety, but nothing strong enough to prosecute, as the guys pressing for Mr Swallow's actions are both felons, so how can we believe them. Overall, Mr Swallow has probably made a few mistakes in the way he conducted business, but for the most part he is trying to do right. Before making accusations, lets' see what the investigation brings out.