House votes to derail Obamacare, fund government

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  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2013 8:30 p.m.

    If the affordable health care act is so hated, why did Romney who wanted it repealed lose in a landslide? Is it good government to have the losers in an election obstruct and defund government to get back for losing?

  • klangton Akiachak, AK
    Sept. 22, 2013 2:37 p.m.

    I was raised republican and voted most of my life for republicans. Mitt Romney signed into law for his state of Massachusetts what has come to be called Obamacare. It was inspired by the think tank Heritage Center, a very conservative institution. If it is not perfect, as it surely is not, where are the efforts from both parties working together for the benefit of "we the people"? We have 30,000,000 people without insurance. When they go to emergency rooms they are served, for good, humanitarian reasons. WE ALL PAY FOR THOSE SERVICES. This is one of the reasons we have health insurance costs that dwarf similar costs for the rest of the world; of the costs per capita of several countries below us put together. The statistical evidence of the health of our nation's people verifies our system, for all its costs, is not working as well as is should or could for the majority of us. So Obamacare is not perfect? Then Congress, fix it or offer alternatives, instead of the transparent political games you are playing. Face this real national need and dozens of others being unmet. Congress, you are the problem.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 10:37 p.m.

    The subversive threat of economic destruction to force repeal of law is unconstitutional is un-American. They should all resign.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 9:49 p.m.

    Why would anyone oppose the affordable care act? Because the very title is a lie. It isn't affordable, and never will be.

    For those who adamantly say that Obamacare is helping those who can't get insurance, it is a lie. People are still being denied by insurance company after insurance company. A family member, age 26, can't get insurance today because he/she survived cancer when age 15. There has been no return of any cancer, but he/she has been denied by every company available in the area.

    Meanwhile, Obamacare is costing us all more every month in premiums while we get less benefits from our insurance, and the uninsured will remain uninsured.

    So the real question is, Why would anyone want the ACA, when it is all a big lie?

    We would be better off funding more indigent health clinics than letting the government take over the whole system.

  • Hey It's Me Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    To continue on. . . those serving in the military possibly not getting paid? I wouldn't work. IOU's don't pay rent or food on the table or bills. Regular businesses can't give out IOU's why can the government? Wake up everyone and start voicing your opinions.

  • Hey It's Me Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 10:32 a.m.

    It's interesting that ObamaCare is good enough for everyone except The U.S. Congress and Senate and President. They are all exempted from ObamaCare. Can anyone tell me why they would exempt themselves when it's good enough for all the people who vote them in. Let's wake up and get rid of the people who are in Congress and the Senate who are only there for their own purpose . . . to get a good retirement and health care and all their other perks. Did you know that under ObamaCare every pregnant women in the U.S. with decent healthcare coverage gets a free $300.00 breast pump. ObamaCare forces your insurance company to pay for these. That way your insurance costs will have to go up to cover this. How many women will get them when they don't need them and sell them for 1/2 price on the internet. There are soooo many things wrong with Obamacare that so many people including those who voted for it are not sharing with the public. But those who voted for it don't care because they are exempted from it. We need to rise up and say enough is enough.

  • Owen Heber City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2013 12:40 a.m.

    "Fifty-seven percent of Americans disapprove of the idea of cutting off government funding to stop the ACA from being implemented, according to a new poll by the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation. Of those who disapprove of defunding, 69 percent said using the budget process to stop a law is not the way government should work."

    If everyone on this board does not know someone who's already benefitted from Obamacare, I'd like to introduce you to my adult son with a pre-existing condition who can now receive a life-saving operation on my insurance. Which means all of you benefit, because you won't be covering his bill for ten times the amount when he showed up at the emergency room with no insurance.

  • Say What? Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 9:48 p.m.

    Why is the GOP against the affordable health care act? What do they have against affordable health care?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 6:20 p.m.

    I want nothing more than to have Republicans cease to exist in this country. They have done more to destroy our freedoms and economy than any war, terrorist, or natural disaster.

    Hope is in the wind, however, as they continue to demonstrate the kind of stupidity that hopefully will be remembered by enough voters to cast those clowns out of office.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 6:18 p.m.

    Stupid, stupid, stupid.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:39 p.m.

    Don't take liberals words for it, ask Senate Republicans what they think the public will make of this tactic. McCain thinks it's crazy. Ayotte's against this. Richard Burr (R-NC) is strongly opposed to it. Even Cruz has conceded that Reid probably has the votes to break a filibuster.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Sept. 20, 2013 3:38 p.m.


    "the way obama care was passed in the first place, if a dem will be honest, they will know that that bill was ramrodded down everyones throat with out one rep vote, because, they never ONCE wanted to workout a compromise to it"

    You obviously weren't paying very close attention. What started as a single-payer system in line with that of other industrialized nations, got watered down after multiple meetings between the president and Republican Party leaders. They even took the model of the mandate from previous Republican policy. They didn't have to do any of that because they already had a supermajority in both houses. The result? Not one Republican vote. Not because there was no compromise, but because it turned out there was only one honest negotiating partner at the table.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:56 p.m.

    Blah Blah Blah, your doing this, no your doing it. Same old story. I'm a republican, I'm a democrat, my side is better than yours, no my side is. Blah Blah Blah, same old story. Why not just look at the facts. DN Subscriber 2 makes a very valid point, saying that ObamaCare only leads us to a DMV / VA system. As a Desert Storm/Desert Shield Disabled Veteran, the VA system is a joke. I have now been waiting over a year for proper care and treatment. Why you ask? Because it is backlogged. If the VA system cannot take care of veterans, what makes you think that a very similar system is going to take care of millions of Americans. It will not work. It just can't and won't and everybody that thought it was a good idea and voted for it, many are regretting now for lost hours, lost wages and disrupted care. It doesn't work. Quit playing a side and start playing for what is best for everyone and quit supporting the pan handlers and let us all work for it. It works better that way.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:41 p.m.

    I want nothing more than to have Democrats cease to exist in this country. They have done more to destroy our freedoms and economy than any war, terrorist, or natural disaster.

    The problem with Obamacare is Obamacare, not what you liberal minds think about the Republican approach. If government shuts down then we will all benefit. Everyone of you on this forum knows someone who has lost income or buying power, if not a job, because of Obamacare. Thanks democrats for killing our progress which will never be overcome.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:35 p.m.

    I'd also like to call out the editors for their misleading headline: "House votes to derail Obamacare; avoid government shutdown:

    Um, they're the ones making a government shutdown possible. Had they taken the so-called escape hatch that would have turned the defunding into a symbolic gesture, the headline would be correct. Passing a continuing resolution with no chance of passing and without any sort of negotiation is the opposite of avoiding a government shutdown.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:23 p.m.

    "...tea party activists forced GOP leaders — against their better judgment — to add a provision to cripple the health care law..." Where did this statement come from? Not someone that believes in the Constitution! The say that this was the result of Tea-party activists is comical, even if it were true. It is even more comical to watch the 'partisan' bickering between Republicans and Democrats, as if there is any difference between the two. Both are out of touch with the truth, but that's not surprising when you consider that most Americans are ignorant of the Constitution, as well as the corrupt power in Washington politics, all of which has bankrupted our country. The utopia some citizens seek is to be found in the hearts of individuals, not government policy! How about waking up from the utopian dream of some Harry Potter wizard to make money appear out of nowhere and pay for programs that only destroy initiative, thrift, and families. Any person that believes that government is the answer lack judgement, charity, and faith.

    Sept. 20, 2013 1:21 p.m.

    1978 says, In every public opinion poll taken a solid majority of American oppose Obamacare.

    And an even greater number say they don't understand it. How can you oppose something you don't understand? Wouldn't it be prudent to educate yourself before making that decision?

    Those same polls show that when asked specfic questions regarding the Affordable Health Care Act (the 26-year-old age limit, no lifetime limits to coverage, no disqualification for pre-existing conditions), the vast majority of Americans SUPPORT the basic premises of the Act.

    To oppose something because you don't understand it is ignorant to the extreme.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:12 p.m. party wants to fund government and one party wants to fund all of government except the part they don't like, and tea party types say that the party that wants to fund government is the one shutting the government down? Typical nonsensical logic from our tea party friends.

  • mightyd Hurricane, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:11 p.m.

    its amazing to me, if you dont follow the marching orders of the dems, then the demagogue, justify, lie, place blame, shift blame, lie again, tell you that we are taking away food or money from the poor or outcast....its truly amazing how really out of touch the dems are, they dont want to compromise, like the way obama care was passed in the first place, if a dem will be honest, they will know that that bill was ramrodded down everyones throat with out one rep vote, because, they never ONCE wanted to workout a compromise to it, its their way or the highway. i get tired of the same old blame game and politically motivated hatred toward those that dont agree with them.....its sad and sickening....just like blaming republicans for shutting the gov down, THEY ARE NOT, the obamacare law is KILLING jobs and moral, except for the few that benefit from it. there are PARTS of the law that are good, most of it is a way to eventually get a one payer system........sad sad sad

  • wYo8 Rock Springs, WY
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    My Wallet THANKS you congress. As I get older no death panels to worry about.

  • 1978 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 1:03 p.m.


    You are right about 1/2 of the country blaming the Republicans. They also blamed them in 1995. What was the result? The Republicans went on the control the House for 11 more years. They also controlled the Senate for most of that time as well.

    Don't forget the little detail that the Republicans are funding "all" of the government except Obamacare. And according to the same polls you quote the federal deficit is a much greater concern than healthcare to the average American.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    Unlike stated above, withholding funding for certain otherwise authorized functions is routinely done, with bipartisan support. (Example- annual appropriations bills prohibiting expenditure on gun "health research" or relief from disability for gun ownership.) Thus the House is perfectly fine by refusing to agree to spending money on anything they don't want to fund. They are a branch of government equal to the Senate. Compromise is needed, or the bill will not pass.

    It is not the Republican House trying to shut down the government, it is Obama and the Senate who refuse to agree to funding every bit of government EXCEPT Obamacare. If the Dems want to shut down, go ahead. (Stand firm, House members!)

    Any claim that the 1995 shutdown actually "cost" money is unbelievable. Except in a world where reducing the rate of growth of spending is demagogued as a draconian cut.

    We are bankrupt and no one is willing to cut a dime of spending on anything for fear of losing votes from those who live on government handouts (including contracts). The end is certain and unpleasant, we cannot continue the deficit spending, of which Obamacare is a large part, and will grow much worse.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:49 p.m.

    Selective enforcement of the "Law of the Land" is the way politics is played in DC.
    For example, OSHA and EPA regs; one administration will spend money for inspectors and lawsuits and the next will leave companies alone.
    Then there is the immigration laws. The "Law of the Land" calls for worksite raids, detention beds, coordination with local law enforcement, reimbursement for hospital bills and prisons, social security fraud investigations, ICE agents, border fences...but if the administration doesn't fund these programs the work doesn't get done.
    It's all about the money and the House controls the purse.
    So next time someone tells you that you have to fund the law, tell them that we don't. It happens all the time, and Obama is one of the best when it comes to ignoring laws on the books to further his own agenda.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:48 p.m.

    There is absolutely zero evidence to support the notion that Republicans are carrying out the public will. As has been noted, many who don't like Obamacare are of that opinion because they believe it should be more liberal. If the question is framed, do you believe in Universal Healthcare, a majority of Americans still poll in favor of it. Additionally, even amongst those that oppose it, a majority are not shown to be in favor of the Republican Congress' unconstitutional tactics. Threatening the economic viability of our country in no way shows that you are acting responsibly and in the best interest of your constituents.

    Incidentally, the resistance of some business leaders to the ACA is in no way new. Similar statements can be found against reducing the work day to 12 hours, again to 8 hours, institution of minimum wage, the establishment of EPA standards, OSHA standards, and on and on. Yet somehow, business survived. Amazing!

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    Please keep in mind most folks that comment on a news story on the net, are liberal.
    Not me.
    This is huge victory thus far.
    More needs to happen.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:25 p.m.

    Except in polls that ask why people oppose it a quarter of those who oppose Obamacare do so because it's not liberal enough. Those are people who want the public option or universal healthcare, not the stuff the Republicans are offering.

    Incidentally, other polling shows 1/2 of Americans would blame a gov't shutdown on Republicans. Only 1/3 would blame it on Obama/Democrats. The other 1/6 blame it on both or are unsure. (CNN/Opinion Research poll).

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:22 p.m.

    I'm in favor of the policy Republicans have nicknamed "Obamacare". I hope Senator Mike Lee understands that he will never get my vote. I know in Utah I'm in the minority when it comes to Senator Lee and his 'efforts' to serve. It's too bad our leaders in Washington are unwilling to represent all their constituents. Senator Lee only cares about those whom agree with him. Not those of us who disagree. If he did, he'd be a much more moderate politician. I love the state of Utah. So... I guess I'm stuck with him for now.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    Some people don't understand how the law works in this country. To become a law, a bill has to be passed by both houses of congress and then be signed by the president. Once that happens, it is the law of the land. To repeal a law, you have to do the same thing. Both houses of congress pass a repeal measure and the president has to sign it.

    Now we have one house of congress that wants to repeal a law, but it cannot do so by constitutional means. So they have decided to hold the American people hostage to force the other branches of congress to do something which they oppose.

    These are obviously not people who believe in the constitution or in the rule of law.

  • 1978 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:14 p.m.

    In every public opinion poll taken a solid majority of American oppose Obamacare. According to the CBO we can not afford it. Obama and the Senate Democrats are not listening to the public or the CBO. The Republicans are doing the right thing. Below are just a sample of some polls.

    ABC Poll 42% Support 52% Oppose
    Fox Poll 35% Support 54% Oppose
    CNN Poll 39% Support 57% Oppose

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    Mr. Boehner, you voted for a trillion dollar Iraq war and now oppose coming into the 21st century on health care. It is a conservative idea to have people take responsibility for their own health care. Sign up or pay 95.00 dollars. No more free riders.

  • ParkCityAggie Park City, Ut
    Sept. 20, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    So-called conservatives need to explain to the American public how costing the tax payers upwards of 2 Billion Dollars is good for the country? You see, the last government shut down cost about that much, and that was in 1994.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 11:35 a.m.

    @DN Subscriber 2
    I don't think so. It's Republicans who'd be shutting down the gov't. Why? Because what are they giving up in this negotiation? Nothing, other than their threat to shut down the gov't. Democrats have to give up Obamacare funding. How is that a fair trade? It isn't. It suggests though that Republicans see a shutdown as something of value if they're using it as a bargaining chip. Therefore... they are the ones who are shutting it down.

    Oh and defunding Obamacare is even worse than outright repeal. All you're doing is eliminating the subsidies to help the poor and middle class buy insurance. The Republicans are directly harming the American people in exchange for not directly harming the American people through gov't shutdown.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    It's a good start.

    Bravo to all four Utah representatives who voted for the CR without Obamacare. Especially to Jim Matheson, who must really be feeling the heat from the Mia Love campaign if he is actually voting as a conservative instead of Nancy Pelosi's puppet.

    Now, we need the Senate to support a continuing resolution WITHOUT Obamacare, and for the House to refuse to pass anything with Obamacare funding. Let Obama shut down the government if he wants to, but not another dime for this unworkable scheme that is intended to destroy health care and insurance and force everyone on to a government run (DMV or VA quality) system.

    Of course, we really need to fully repeal every single word of Obamacare, but defunding it is a good start.

    Even if it were worth keeping, implementation in 11 days is impossible with any sort of security for patient information or efficiency. It is sheer lunacy to be proceeding on the current schedule with all the flaws and exceptions and exemptions.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:21 a.m.

    This is good news. Unfortunately we still have Harry (uses Federal funds to increase his property value and makes bank on it in Nevada) Reid lecturing us peasants what is good for us as he eats his fine meals with Hollywood and other rich elites. Live as they say, but, now how they live....

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    Recent polls have shown Obamacare to be a very unpopular law. The majority of people no longer want it. The more that is found out about it, the more unpopular it becomes. The House is simply listening to the public in trying to defund Obamacare. It's an ultra-expensive bill... perhaps the most so in national history, and we're yet to fully understand all of it's 2,100 page ramifications.

    This bill is the biggest folly that came from Obama having a majority support in both sides of Congress during his first 2 years as president. This bill was ramrodded thru with almost zero debate. Even democrats couldn't tell anyone much about what it really consisted of. In fact, most still struggle with that. Nancy Pelosi will forever be remembered for her infamous "That's why we have to pass it, so we can see what's in it" reply to a reporters question. One of the dumbest statements to ever come out of Washington.

    If this country was a true democracy (as opposed to the Republic that it is), then Obamacare would already be dead and gone.

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Sept. 20, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    This is truly the most high-stakes, ill-conceived temper tantrum in the history of humankind; the conservative House needs to grow up.

    I want nothing more than for the Republican Party to cease to exist in American politics but a government shutdown is too high a price for all of us to pay, even if it puts the final nail in their proverbial coffin.