I feel the Pope's first interview is misrepresented here. This article
makes him sound very wishy-washy. He is still against certain issues, just not
for repeating them ad-nauseam at the expense of more important doctrines. Our
church would do well to focus more on Christ and less on political issues as
Re:NewtoUtah"Throughout his life, both as an individual and a
religious leader, Pope Francis has been noted for his humility, his concern for
the poor, and his commitment to dialogue as a way to build bridges between
people of all backgrounds, beliefs, and faiths. He is known for having a
simpler and less formal approach to the papacy.As Cardinal, Francis
lived in a small apartment, rather than in the elegant bishop's residence
in the suburb of Olivos. He took public transportation and cooked his own
meals.Pope Francis urged world leaders to prevent excessive respect
for money, which he said had become "worship of the golden calf"
(idolatry), and urged world leaders to help poor people more."(Wikipedia)
Finally a true Christian that heads a Church, many, many, more church leaders
need to follow the new Popes Lead.
I always find it fascinating how these discussions quickly evolve or devolve.
The article can be about planting tomatoes and before long, comments are made
regarding whether or not Joseph Smith believed in Cantaloupe.Everything I have seen in this new pope has been largely positive. Do I think
he's perfect? No. But I think he's trying to make good strides.Do I think coke is bad? Yes. But those are my same feelings for
eggplant too.There is much to think about and to be concerned about
in these current times. It is impossible to focus on every great or even little
issue. We do what we can and perhaps, with simple strides and sincere,
Christ-like efforts, some good will be accomplished. We don't have to wait
for a pope or a prophet to speak in favor of righteousness (and I didn't
say self righteousness) , we can all take that initiative right now.
Just checkin' if any Pope ever restricted believers from God's special
section of heaven based on what foods they ate or drank. Sounds extra-biblical
doesn't it...Oh, yeah. It is. Along with purgatory, polygamy
Coffee, tea & cola drinks were "outlawed" my entire 35 years in the
LDS Church. No temple rec= No Celestial Kingdom; i.e., Java/Joe/Coffee use kept
you outta the highest Kingdom.Contrast that with the Biblical,
historical, literal Word of God. There is nothing you can say that will soeak
to the nonsense that food will keep you out of God's Love.
@TruthseekerThat scripture does not limit their sins it only points
out a few their sins that were being discussed in that chapter.Nope
their sins also included all types of immorality. Their wickedness was full for
@DN: How is this a violation of your rules?"Sounds like the
Pope got smacked down by the Cardinals for his original message, and had to do
some quick PR recovery."
My sentiment is completely different than many who praise Pope Francis. I think
he is trying to be politically correct and popular and I don't like it one
bit. He should lead and stand for principle especially for the unborn who are
the most helpless. Jesuit's were the leftists who supported the Sandanista
Communists in Nicaragua. Consistency in doctrine by John Paul and Benedict is
much better, Pope Francis needs to show leadership.
I thought the church PR department gave the definitive doctrinal statement on
cola drinks during the Romney campaign. You could look it up.For my money
the DIET part is more harmful than the cola part.
Re:1978From Fair:Spencer W. Kimball made his own and the
Church's view of cola drinks clear:I never drink any of the cola
drinks and my personal hope would be that no one would. However, they are not
included in the Word of Wisdom in its technical application. I quote from a
letter from the secretary to the First Presidency, 'But the spirit of the
Word of Wisdom would be violated by the drinking or eating of anything that
contained a habit-forming drug.' With reference to the cola drinks, the
Church has never officially taken any attitude on this at but I personally do
not put them in the class as with the tea and coffee because the Lord
specifically mentioned them [the hot drinks. The Ensign in Dec
2008:...the Word of Wisdom does not specifically prohibit caffeine.
However, I believe that if we follow the spirit of the Word of Wisdom we will be
very careful about what we consume, particularly any substance that can have a
negative impact on our bodies. This is true regarding any drug, substance, or
even food that may be damaging to one's health. This includes caffeine.
"In fact the church again supported nuetrality in the 2012 election."Nobody believes the claim of "neutrality" when church-owned
Deseret News covered/promoted Romney like ants on honey--before, during and long
after the election.
@airnaut"Too much worrying about drinking Diet Coke, and how
many ear piercings or flip-flops, Prop 8 and Mitt Romney for President."I have been an LDS member my whole life and have never heard a sermon
referencing Diet Coke or flip-flops. Two mentions of ear piercings and never
any talk of supporting Mitt Romney for President. In fact the church again
supported nuetrality in the 2012 election. My bishop was actually an Obama
supporter.As far as Prop 8 is concerned if you read "The Family:
A Proclamation to the World" the LDS church's position on this issue is
Re:AlbertMaslarCPA"the destroyed cities of Sodom"Ezikiel 16:49"Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister
Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her
daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy."
airnutsmall minded rules.......... false doctrines? Abortion,
interesting approach, don't think it will do anything to boost membership
or activity amongst catholics. why did he leave out divorce. Diet Coke? I
don't remember ANY focus on that. appropriate dress does impact the way one
God bless Pope Francis.Without changing church policy, Keeping
the "proper" perspective of what matters most is the Christ like thing
to do.The LDS Church suffers from the same blight.Too much
worrying about drinking Diet Coke, and how many ear piercings or flip-flops,
Prop 8 and Mitt Romney for President.Christ taught Salvation - via,
Love, Peace, brotherly kindness, and mercy.HIS Church should be
teaching what HE taught.Anything taking away from that is pure distraction
and false doctrine.
I am quite sure that "Abortion, Gay Marriage, and Contraception"
regulations are not "small minded rules".
Pope Francis commented that we must not dwell on the issues of abortion,
homosexuality, and contraceptives 'All the time." These are the evils
of our age and it is duty for church to address these issues, 'All the
time.' 55 Million abortions in the US alone since Roe v. Wade in 1973.
Francis also said if change is not made, the church can fall like a house of
cards. Strange, because Jesus said to Peter, "Thou art Peter, the rock, and
upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail
against it." As far as abortion is concerned, Genesis 38:1-10 narrates how
God took the life of the brother who 'merely' wasted his seed on the
ground, so how much more valuable is the fertilized egg in the womb? As far as
homosexuality, refer to the destroyed cities of Sodom and Gomorrah for their
Christ's mercy is based on repentence through his atonement, not condoning
the sinful act simply by not expecting change of one's behavior. The
Savior told the woman taken in adultery to "go and sin no more."
""The church sometimes has locked itself up in small things, in
small-minded rules,"Certain local leaders could take a lesson.
The LDS church once again leads the way. They are reaching out to gays. As for
birth control, that has ceased to be an issue 30 years ago.I suppose it is
another case of practice without doctrinal basis, the current claim regarding
blacks and the priesthood pre-1978.Looking for scriptures that
specifically proscribe women holding the priesthood might be the next big
thing.As for abortion, I think we are still safe on that one.Stay
tuned as we navigate the tolerance trap.
"small-minded rules" aborted babies may feel differently. not many
leaders of faiths willing to stand firm. sorry to have lost our catholic frien.
What he basically says is that nothing will change and that Catholics should
stop talking about LGBT rights or abortion for raped girls whose live is in
danger. This Pope is a master in PR.
Pope Francis:""We cannot insist only on issues related to
abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not
possible," he said. "The teaching of the church, for that matter, is
clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these
issues all the time."" when God looks at a gay person, does
he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this
person?'What a breath of fresh air this humble leader is! I can't help but feel sadness that "my" church--the LDS
church--as of late, is beating the drums in the bogus political war against
religion conjured up by other groups.
While I recognize some of my fellow Latter Day Saints might take issue with this
suggestion - This guy is a seriously good example on the way we should approach
many things. His King Benjamin approach is a fine example to us all. He chooses to focus on compassion and mercy as opposed to criticism and
judgement. He has not advocated improper actions but rather reminded us all
that understanding and acceptance are one of the hallmarks of a true Christian.
While I accept that the whole truth is found within our doctrines it
does not mean that we cannot be reminded of better ways to act upon those
beliefs - even from a Pope. Love thy neighbor - what a great idea.
Do not be Judgmental - how unique. Stop dwelling on the hot topics of the day
and focus on compassion - perfect. I'm not suggesting we all
run off to become Catholics - but I am suggesting that not since Mother Teresa
has such a fine example of humanity been found in the Catholic Church - I for
one hope to learn more from his wise counsel and add it to my understanding of
the Kingdom of God.
I think Francis should be canonized right now, even while he's still alive.
I read his recent interview with that Italian newspaper and was stunned by the
elegant simplicity of his words.
I love this Pope! Truly a disciple of Christ.