House conservatives plan to unveil 'Obamacare' alternative today

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  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Sept. 19, 2013 8:36 a.m.

    To "UT Brit" you really are judging the US system off of a couple of bad experiences.

    Maybe if you ever come back to the US, before you get any treatment you should "Do research and you get excellent health care." You forget that there are good Doctors and bad ones everywhere.

    The sad thing is that you assume that all doctors in the US are like the one bad dentist you had.

    You also ignore the fact that many of the socialized medicine programs are sinking, and that the system as a whole in the UK is killing people becaue of wait times and cost saving policies.

  • UT Brit London, England
    Sept. 19, 2013 7:41 a.m.

    @lost in DC

    No thats exactly the point, its not to do with regulations or the FDA its plain cheaper to get regular standard treatments in other countries. I know someone who went to Mexico to get some dental work done. The dentist in the US was asking close to 5 figures for the work and he got it done with no complications at a fraction of the price in Mexico.

    Look up some of the costs of basic treatments that are covered by the FDA. Also statistically speaking if you want a heart bypass you will get better results in India and a lot cheaper as well.


    I have had poor treatment in the States, I had to get a dentist in the UK to fix terrible work that I had done in the US. The US does not have a monopoly on good doctors. Go to Malaysia, Singapore, India and you will see top notch facilities with doctors and surgeons that have been trained in the West. All this for a fraction of the cost a faciity in the US would charge. Do research and you get excellent health care.

  • Church member North Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 9:17 p.m.

    To lost in DC:

    When you start a new paragraph the first letter is supposed to be capitalized :)

    I don't know how we can explain in any simpler to you. We pay more than any other country in the world for health care and we are not in the top 20 for results. It's as simple as that. We don't have as great of a system as you think we do. Just because you have been told otherwise doesn't mean it is true. Go look at the facts, they don't lie.

    Big corporations and businesses are making a killing, all the while giving us sub-standard results.


  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 6:42 p.m.

    UT Brit,
    you missed my point completely - either that or you chose to ignore it.

    people go overseas for treatments the FDA won't allow here - regardless of cost. (meaning cost has NOTHING to do with it). Since they cannot get the treatments here at any price, they go elsewhere to get them. many of the treatments are quackery, many are not, but they cannot get them here regardless of costs, so they go elsewhere. you see, it has nothing to with the cost.

    In case you missed it again, it has nothing to with the cost. I don't know how I can make it any clearer for you.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 3:43 p.m.

    To "UT Brit" they may get the initial treatment cheaper, but often the complications make up or exceed the savings.

    In "Medical tourism complications rise" from Comsmetic Surgery Times, the doctors find that the people that go abroad for cosmetic surgeries end up having to get problems fixed by a US doctor later. The doctors reported "they had treated patients who had traveled abroad for cosmetic procedures, and more than half (51.6 percent) reported an increase over the past five years in the number of such patients presenting with complications." The most common complication was secondary infection.

    So yes, you can get cheaper treatment, but you also get it at higher risk. Currently the FDA does not keep track of complications that arise after engaging in medical tourism.

  • UT Brit London, England
    Sept. 18, 2013 3:01 p.m.

    @lost in DC

    "or the cost"

    Thats exactly why they are leaving. Go look at some of the treatment costs in the US for standard operations. Then look at the same treatment costs offered in the Philippines, India, Singapore, etc and prepare to pick your jaw off the floor.

    As I cant post links here you will have to look up the numbers yourself. When it comes to costs, Americans are getting taken for a ride.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 2:08 p.m.

    church member
    "their", not "there"

    there is a difference between health care and a health care model. please try to not mix the two.

    UT Brit
    those leaving the US for care do so for treatments not allowed under FDA rules, not because of the quality or the cost. flashing numbers without support does not tell the entire story.

  • Church member North Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 1:24 p.m.

    To Kiddsport:

    My friends in England and France laugh when they hear people say "everyone around the world comes to the U.S. to get good health care".

    The truth is that people in Europe are very happy with there health care. They would never trade it for the U.S. model.

    Would Jesus deny poor people health care???

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 12:52 p.m.

    To "UT Brit" really, it is in the news all the time.

    Look up the news stories about Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams who skipped out on Canadian hospitals to go to the US for heart surgery.

    There are others, too. One thing to note is that US cities along the Canadian border are making deals with Canada to treat their people. If Canada is so great, why would their government need to outsource medical treatment to the US?

  • UT Brit London, England
    Sept. 18, 2013 11:58 a.m.


    In 2007 80,000 came into the US to seek healthcare. 750,000 Americans left the US to seek health care in other countries. It is predicted to be around 1.4 million this year.

    If many people leave for the US for treatments, why do I not know a single person who has done so?

  • kiddsport Fairview, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 10:32 a.m.

    Church member: Why do the next 30 most advanced countries in the world see many of their citizens running to the US when they need timely, advanced medical care?
    one old man: I recommend you follow your own advice and look up the legislative history of the Massachusetts bill. Many of the fundamentals were passed over Romney's veto (it was an 80% Democrat congress) and the mis-administration by Romney's Democrat successor finished it's fate. And it still doesn't work.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 18, 2013 10:21 a.m.

    The actual legislative history of Obamacare;
    Passed in the dark of night, behind closed doors without any Republican input or debate or opportunity for Republican votes.
    We were told: "we needed to pass it in order to understand what's in it".
    Max Baucus (D) the main architect, warned us "Obamacare is a trainwreck".
    Obamacare is so unpopular Democrats are getting hammered by their constituents and fear it will cost them re-election.
    Millions of Americans are now losing their jobs or and having to work part time thanks to Obamacare mandates.
    Noting we were told by the Democrats about Obamacare has been the truth, nothing!
    Typical Democrat blaming this mess on Republicans! LOL

  • Church member North Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 10:11 a.m.

    Why do the next 30 most advanced countries in the world have universal healthcare (health care for all)???

    Maybe we, as Americans, are the ones that have it wrong. Maybe the other 30 have it right.

    Jesus taught "love the poor". We should follow his example.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    Yes, it was a Republican idea in the first place. About which they huffed and puffed and did nothing once election times passed. They proposed it -- to entice clueless voters to vote for them and then stuffed it to please their corporate masters.

    And Social Mod -- yup, they considered it and reconsidered it and waffled and wove for 50 years and then when push came to shove stuffed Obama's proposal with about 1500 unnecessary extra pages as they tried to keep their corporate overlords happy.

    Look up the legislative history of the bill.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    Too little, too late. I'm sure they'd rather see the old status quo remain unchanged, because that's what the insurance and health provider industries want and that's what they pay politicians for. I imagine the republican plan will address many things, excluding the needs of human beings who need health care, which is to say all of us. For that group, a single payer system makes sense. For the insurance industry, it does not. Guess which one the republicans will bow to?

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 18, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    One old man. Whoa, wait a minute! Wasn't it you that has been telling us Obamacare was a actually Republican idea in the first place? So which is it and who is really about 50 years too late?

  • Social Mod Fiscal Con West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    One Old Man,
    Or, the GOP actually took some time to consider ideas and impact before throwing a 2000 page bill at congress to get passed as fast as possible.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    "Officials said the legislation contains no provision to assure insurance coverage for millions of lower-income Americans who are scheduled under current law to be enrolled in Medicaid, a state-federal health care program for the poor." Nothing says Republican like this.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    Well, gee whiz and golly!

    Trouble is, this is only about 50 years late.

    Takes a long time for the GOP to start to wake up, doesn't it?

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    The best thing that could be done is keep the one provision in Obamacare that most agree with, namely, no exclusions for pre-existing conditions, and scrap the rest.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 18, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    Democrats will never accept anything from the GOP because its their way or nothing. And they call the GOP the party of no? lol