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  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Sept. 18, 2013 11:33 a.m.

    Why do we need the CIA and NSA when we have;

    Nate from
    Pleasant Grove, UT

    Who obviously listens to AM radio talk shows --

    Therefore --
    He knows everything the CIA is doing,
    on the other side of the world in Benghazi, Libya,
    and better yet, Why they are doing it?

    And if you don't believe him,
    it's because YOU don't know because it's a secret, cabal, cover-up, conspiracy.

    Just like fluoride, the moon landings, contrails, and Obama's birth certificate.

  • radically_independent Orem, Utah
    Sept. 18, 2013 5:32 a.m.

    Circular Reasoning? Good golly miss molly. Since the idea of a CIA outpost in a foreign nation seems to be a bit confusing here, lets enumerate.

    1) why we had CIA agents on foreign soil is something likely they can't talk about.
    2) who they were interfacing with locally.... probably secret as their lives would be in danger
    3) the extent of our capabilities in Libya, probably something we don't want to disclose to the who would do ill to our country.
    4) the level of our involvement in overturning the Libyan dictator, probably something we don't want to broadcast to that region
    5) what surveillance capability did we have, and still have in that country

    Need we really go on? Yes, asking why the CIA is in any foreign land is going to get you a circular answer. Why would you expect anything less. Posting national secrets in the media would be rather counter productive. Your need to know... versus national security and the fight against terrorist groups... let me decide..............

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 9:36 p.m.


    Thanks, circular reasoning was just what I was hoping for. They are being secretive because their operation was covert. Very helpful.

    What were they hiding?

  • radically_independent Orem, Utah
    Sept. 17, 2013 2:51 p.m.

    @Nate.... because they are CIA agents, and the reason they were there is covert.... how hard is that to understand? Part of their job is to keep national secrets. They were not there to plant backyard gardens, or hand out milk to kids.

    Ask any CIA agent why they were in a foreign land in an armed compound.... your going to get the same answer.... "I can't tell you".

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    @LDS Liberal "So, will you follow the prophet, or Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity or Glenn Beck?"

    I'll follow the truth, whoever happens to be telling it. And the truth about Benghazi is that CIA employees with knowledge about what happened there are being forced by the administration to sign legal documents barring them from talking about it. I would like to know why.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Sept. 17, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    Good grief Red, I didn't say it way about conservative issues. I said it was about things like which President was Republican and which was Democrat, who favors tax cuts for the rich, and who favors business, who is against abortion etc. etc. The survey had nothing to do with who is informed about the facts of current affairs. Also now they are left leaning and not to be trusted. BTW that's a fact from your statement and an inference about your intentions.

    No kidding, Democrats are likely to dump you, when you get all exercised about Bengazi, one of fifteen such attacks. The IRS where the manager has said I did it. Talking about death panels with Obamacare. Continuing to claim the annual deficit is continuing to skyrocket.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 10:28 a.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" why does education matter to comment on politics? If that is true, then unless you are hypocrite, you cannot comment more on politics because you have no degrees in politics. If you are allowed to comment on political issues and you feel that you have educated yourself, why can't Rush do the same?

    Do you hold Obama to the same Military standard? He never served in the military, yet is allowed to command them. Should Obama defer all military commands to somebody in his administration who served in the military.

    Do you hold Obama to the same drug standards. He is a self admitted drug addict.

    You accept anything Obama says about poverty when he has never been poor.

    You have no problem with Obama telling you to tighten your belt while he lives like royalty golfing with celebrities and holding concerts at the WH.

    You implicitly trust Obama, even after he was caught lying in his own biography.

    You hold Rush to a higher standard than you hold Obama to. You should hold your guys to the same standard that you hold conservatives.

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    Sept. 17, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    To "pragmatistferlife" that was the "What the Public Knows about the Political Parties" that tell us that Republicans are more informed than Democrats. You realize that Pew is left leaning, so I doubt your accusation that it was a survey about conservative issues.

    It is "Social Networking Sites and Politics" also by Pew that states that liberals are more likely to unfriend people that disagree with them. If you look at the report, liberals are more likely to dump you on a SNS site if you post about politics or disagree with them.

    Are you going to "unfriend" me now?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    Centerville, UT

    To often in the discussions on these threads, statements like the following are made "Why do so many people listen and parrot everything they hear from college drop-outs on AM radios." It smacks of intolerance.


    OK, let's single out Rush Limbaugh then...

    "Why do so many people listen and parrot everything they hear from a;
    college drop-out,
    who has NEVER served this Country in uniform,
    a multi-millionaire who does create any jobs,
    a self admitted drug addict,
    married and divorce 3 times,
    with NO children,
    and while single - caught with a bottle of Viagra on a trip to a contry famous for it's prostitution,
    lecturing Americans about God and Family Values,
    on the AM radio."

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    @UtahBlueDevil my point exactly, using the have or have not of a college degree is not a valid part of a civil discussion. To often in the discussions on these threads, statements like the following are made "Why do so many people listen and parrot everything they hear from college drop-outs on AM radios." It smacks of intolerance. A comment of , why do so many people listen and parrot everything they hear on AM radios, would be less arrogant and elitist. But then the same argument could be made why do so many people parrot the talking points of liberal media. Neither statement addresses the facts. Brilliant minds and great understanding are not limited to a paper or lambskin certificate in a black frame hanging on a wall.

    As far as Glenn Beck is concerned, at least in most issues he tell the audience they are responsible to follow up and search it out. But yes he is an entertainer also.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Sept. 17, 2013 9:02 a.m.

    RedShirt, "The survey questioned knowledge of political party platforms and the political party affiliation of some elected individuals. It says nothing about current events or being open-minded or tolerant." That's exactly what the survey is about and concludes.

    The study simply concludes that Republicans are better informed that Republicans are against gay marriage, high taxes, and that Regan was a Republican, and Clinton was a Democrat. Everything else is right wing distortion.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Sept. 17, 2013 8:35 a.m.

    RedShirtMIT, at least you got the facts right. Something the author didn't. A team actually was dispatched and did arrive in time to help secure the area where the consulate folks had gathered. So the premise so loudly touted by the likes of the author that help was denied is absolutely false. Help was sent and did arrive.

    As to your question about additional help, look at Maudine's list of similar attacks and tell me how many anti-terrorist teams were sent in real time, or how many aircraft were sent to give cover. In some of these case Maudine mentions we actually had prior warning. My point is not to blame Bush but to show that embassy, and consulate protection is not done with guns a blazing seal teams or rocket launching F16's. It's a different world. It's a small piece of America purposefully placed in the middle of a sovereign country.

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    Sept. 17, 2013 7:49 a.m.

    To "Maudine" the Star Tribune came up with the same conclusions. Take a look at "Liberals, take a long look in the mirror". I looked at the study, and it does show that Republicans are better informed. The article from the Star Tribune also referrs to another study where they find that conservatives are more tolerant too.

    Unless you want to fit the liberal profile described by the study, I think you should actually go to the Pew website and read what they have to say about it.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 7:37 a.m.

    Pleasant Grove, UT

    @LDS Liberal

    When you can't engage the argument, attack credentials.
    4:54 p.m. Sept. 16, 2013


    I just said follow the prophet - don't go astray.

    The LDS Church does not push for a total ban on ALL abortions - like the GOP.
    The LDS Church does not consider abortion a "murder".
    The LDS Church is politically neutral on the matter.

    Everything else is rebel rousing scare tactics heard on a political talk show.

    will you follow the prophet,

    or Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity or Glenn Beck?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 10:01 p.m.

    If you will notice... you and the other 11 ultra-lib posters always get ~11 likes. That's because the same 11 people run around liking each other. I hope you don't think it means your opinion is any more valid than anyone elses.

    Do you remember Conservative folks claiming "If you criticize the President you're Un-American"? Do you remember left saying "it's our DUTY to question the President and the Government".

    My how quickly times have changed. Now the same people say it's despicable to question the President of this Nation. What changed?

    Just pointing out how brain washed people can become when defending their political heroes and questioning their political enemies.

    It's something I hope we can all overcome someday.

  • Nonconlib Happy Valley, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 9:42 p.m.

    Why are we talking about Benghazi? Perhaps because the GOP is fresh out of ideas. What have we heard from the Republicans lately? Defund Obamacare, without putting forth any sort of plan to replace it. Before that it was "We will not raise taxes on millionaires because they are the job creators and they won't create jobs if we increase their taxes by 4 percent." Well, we raised taxes on them, and they still gained ground on the rest of the workforce. The gap between rich and rest is now the widest since 1928. Yes, Benghazi was unfortunate, just like many other unfortunate losses we've suffered abroad. But they all pale in comparison to the real crisis in America: rapidly expanding inequality. If you think the financial collapse of 2008 was fun, just wait for the encore that we're brewing by sending nearly all the wealth gains to the top 1 percent. Let's start dealing with the biggest problem, which, by the way, is the source of the debt we're piling up. The debt is a symptom. Inequality is the malady.

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    Sept. 16, 2013 9:35 p.m.

    "President Obama won. Romney lost."

    No, no. You got it wrong. Obama won, the people lost.

    @2 bits:
    "I'm happy to say that I have learned from the mistakes President Bush made."

    The mistakes were not Bush's. At least, not his alone. Any mistakes were the mistakes of the US Congress as well. Remember, the US cannot go to war without the approval and funding of the US Congress. If you want to blame someone, blame the Democrats, including John Kerry, Hilary Clinton, and Joe Giden for voting authorization to use military force. Keep that in mind.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 9:04 p.m.

    ECR and those who liked:

    I don't know why you would have 11 likes. I saw that it was addressed to someone(s) else and so I was respectful enough not to read it. Are there 11 editors who liked it? Or are there a bunch of you reading someone else's mail?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 16, 2013 9:01 p.m.

    @JSF.... by the way.... last comment.... I wanted to be clear I was not supporting LDS Liberals statement either. Yes, there are a lot of people who rely on FoxNews and radio talking heads for their information. There are equally those that rely on liberal biased sources for their information. Where someone has a college degree makes no difference to their honesty, and often knowledge of the subject matter.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Speaking that opinion also requires that person to tolerate other peoples opinions. It is through that dialog, sometimes miracles happen and common understanding pops out of the other end of the process.

    Agreement isn't even necessary... but understanding often helps a lot in resolving disputes. So no intention of personal attack on you.... I just didn't get you point. Yes - there are a ton of very smart people who are not college educated..... and there are a lot of idiots who are college educated....

    That is just my opinion.... you are free and encouraged to disagree.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Sept. 16, 2013 8:40 p.m.

    2 bits - Yeah. But I got 11 Likes.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 6:58 p.m.

    @ Redshirt: The Daily Caller put an interesting spin on that survey. The survey questioned knowledge of political party platforms and the political party affiliation of some elected individuals. It says nothing about current events or being open-minded or tolerant.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 4:54 p.m.

    @LDS Liberal

    When you can't engage the argument, attack credentials.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 16, 2013 4:48 p.m.

    @JSF... not sure what you point is other than you don't like educated liberals. Are educated conservatives ok though? Or is it just the educated part you have issues with? Or will being educated be ok when a democrat isn't President? Just trying to figure out what you problem with education is.

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    Sept. 16, 2013 4:26 p.m.

    To "FreedomFighter41" you are wrong. Conservatives are actually the most informed.

    See "Surveys: Republicans more open-minded, better informed than Democrats" - Daily Caller. That article was written using a April 2012 Pew Research Center survey -- "What the Public Knows about the Political Parties". Apparently Conservatives really are better informed AND are more tolerant.

  • Locke Rexburg, ID
    Sept. 16, 2013 4:24 p.m.

    Hey, I agree with the letter writer that these are valid questions and valid incredulity. The bottom line is, Obama has no coherent foreign policy and has an odd world view that he has never explained.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 3:02 p.m.

    Why? Because his enemies make up stupid imaginary scenarios for the purpose of defaming him. And because he is not perfect.

    Benghazi happens hundreds of times every day in America. Americans are being killed brutally and gently and the only difference is that the killers in America pretend to be our friends.

    No one cries about these crimes and spends billions of dollars to advertise them, but the four Americans killed in the line of duty in a foreign mission rate so much glory because they were made to be political gun fodder.

    Where is the Congressional investigation for the people killed by the bad peanut butter, the people killed by the bad medicine, and the hundreds, thousands, millions of people killed by medical malpractice and incompetence.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 3:00 p.m.

    @ JSF

    "Why do so many liberals equate college graduates as the only source of knowledge?"

    Why do conservative trust big business and loud blowhards on Fox/Am radio over scientists, academics, and other experts? Since when have religious zealots, industrial giants, and propagandists been right about anything?

  • FreedomFighter41 Provo, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 2:57 p.m.

    How can we have civil dialog in this country if this is what we have to deal with?

    A century ago, a french academic came through our country and admired how informed our farmers were. It was the key to our Democracy. My how things have changed! Now our farmers and conservatives in general are the least informed out there.

    Science has lost propaganda has won. Democracy is destroyed, Oligarchy reigns. The people have lost big business/industry has taken our country away. Civil INFORMED dialog is ignored loud obnoxious noise is heard.

    So sad.

  • Liberal Today Murray, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 1:48 p.m.

    I don't know for sure, because we don't have the information about where the president was, or what he was doing, but I think he is smart enough to only go places where he can do it by surprise, so he has a better chance of winning. In Benghazi, any help he sent would have been expected, so he couldn't have surprised the enemy, er protesters. It might have got the men he sent to help, killed. Then the president would have looked bad, so he didn't send them.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 1:29 p.m.

    Sorry I drifted off topic. I just read your "Why would you promote such vile hatred towards the leader of our nation", comment and it struck me how much Democrats have UN-Learned since the Bush days (when the Right-wing was making these same type of comments defending our then President).

    It's just a little funny where we find ourselves today (the left defending decisions to go to war, and pretending to be shocked at anybody who would question the President of our Nation)... when the Right-wing was saying the same things just a few years ago, and got lectured by the left (who insisted it is not only their "right" but their DUTY to question the President). But now... if you question the President... your un-American.

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    Sept. 16, 2013 1:22 p.m.

    Wow, the uninformed lemmings on the left are really out today. The problem is that the facts don't back up what Hillary or others have said.

    The first question is why was the Ambassador going to a consulate located in a highly unstable area in the first place? Next, some of you say that nothing could be done, but official documents show that there was a team that was able to get close to the consulate by 1AM. The attacks started at 9 PM. They didn't get into where the Ambassador was located until 4 AM. Are you saying that in 7 hours they couldn't get anti-terrorist teams or aircraft from Spain, Italy, or anywhere else in Europe to give the Consulate cover fire?

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 1:13 p.m.

    Really you only took those names out of the list. I don't propose they are experts on every subject but maybe, those you discredit have more information and have studied a subject more than you. Just because you disagree with their positions and they don't have a college degree does not mean they have nothing to offer. This is true liberal hypocrisy. I don't think you with a college degree have more to offer about Syria than anyone else.

    "There are a lot more without degrees that have far more credibility"

    "They also have no military experience. They also have no experience in national public service. The sum of their experience is they spew their opinions on TV and radio for ratings." Are you talking about Obama?

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Sept. 16, 2013 12:55 p.m.

    2 bits - Thanks to you for your "rant" too. But what does it have to do with Benghazi?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    ... We don't know what will result from limited strikes in Syria (long or short term).

    Asad said his reaction would be something America would never expect. They may not be able to attack us, but what if they start attacking their own people (he's been known to do that). What if they target Christians in the region (they've been known to do that). What if they combine with their leaders in the region and attack Israel (we know they WANT to do that).

    I'm just saying... you don't know what their reaction would be, so your "limited" strike may lead to something you aren't expecting. You can't tell us for sure that it will end at limited strikes (that's what I learned).

    I at least learned something from our mistakes. It seems YOU have learned nothing and possible even UN-Learned what you knew during the Bush administration.

    You are playing political games here IF you were against what Bush did in Iraq and are FOR what Obama is doing in Syria. That's all I'm saying. I think this is my last post so don't expect a reply.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    I couldn't help laughing just a little while reading your rant. Because it reminded me so much of myself and others back after 9/11 trying to defend what President Bush was doing in Iraq (all the while pretending we were patriots and anybody who questioned the President in a time of war was "unAmerican").

    Your rant was word for word the same stuff you used to get from the Republican defenders back then. It's almost comical how quickly and completely the shoe has switched to the other foot now... (now that there's a Democrat President making the tough decisions).

    I'm happy to say that I have learned from the mistakes President Bush made. I didn't realize they were mistakes as they were being made, but what I learned is.. you can't guarantee what will result from an attack, even a limited attack. I think he thought it would be over after the shock-and-awe and the vote, but when the Iraqi people started looting the museums and killing each other for being Sunni or Shiite.... We had to stay and provide security.

    The same goes for limited strikes in Syria...

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 16, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    @JSF..... no one is talking about these people. Can say I have seen Michael Dell comment on Libya..... have you? the ones we have heard from, Glenn Beck for one, the mouth from the south Rush Limbaugh for another.... demonstrably have no college education. They also have no military experience. They also have not experience in public service. The sum of their experience is they spew their opinions on the radio for ratings, just like Howard stern and his crowd.

    Jon Bon Jovi.... are you kidding me.... a rocker without a college degree..... totally shocked. There are a lot more without degrees that have far more credibility than the likes of jimmy Kimmel.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 11:17 a.m.

    My question is simple: Why do so many liberals equate college graduates as the only source of knowledge? Are these all not worth listening to their wisdom based on the lack of college degree? John D. Rockefeller, Richard Branson, Abraham Lincoln, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Henry Ford, Dave Thomas, Pete Cashmore, Rachael Ray, Sean Connery, Steve Jobs, Thomas Edison, Larry Ellison of Oracle, Paul Allen of Microsoft, Dustin Moskovitz of Facebook, Michael Dell of Dell Computers, Brian Dunn of Best Buy, Anna Wintour of Vogue, Barry Diller of IAC, John Mackey of Whole Foods, David Geffen, Ralph Lauren, Ted Turner,.David Plouffe, Scott Walker, governor of Wisconsin, Jan Brewer of Arizona, Gary Herbert of Utah, Maya Angelou, Gore Vidal, August Wilson, Mark Twain, William Faulkner, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Robert Frost, Joseph Brodsky, Harper Lee, Woody Allen, Clint Eastwood, James Cameron, Robert Redford, Michael Moore, Sidney Pollack, George Clooney, Hillary Swank, Tom Hanks, Julia Roberts, Oprah Winfrey, Larry King, Ellen DeGeneres, Jimmy Kimmel, Joy Behar, Rosie O'Donnell, Brian Williams, Peter Jennings, Walter Cronkite, John Chancellor, Nina Totenberg of NPR, Carl Bernstein of The Washington Post, William Safire, Alicia Keys, Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, Steve Earle, Jon Bon Jovi.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 10:57 a.m.

    Ah, yes, another uninformed rant about Benghazi. A hardy perennial on the DN pages.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    Congress cut funding for embassy security worldwide. Maybe that's why.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 16, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    Maudine - it is because this is about politics. Not ethics. Not morals. Not actual historical events. This is about political talking points, and taking advantage of the deaths of 4 men to gain political points.

    Flash back to the Pat Tillman event... where he was killed by friendly fire. Americans killed Americans. And then the then current administration tried to cover it up. It was only later it was found out that the story initially put forward was not true.

    This Benghazi side show that has been created..... purposely trying to twist these events that occurred when there were literally dozens of like events going on in the region. it is not only distasteful, but makes a mockery of these mens lives. Tillman's life.... no big deal. The 4,000 other lives lost. No biggie. The 100,000 plus civilian lives.... we can get over those. A singular event that we didn't have assets in theatre to prevent.... this rises to treason for some.

    Must be nice.....

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 9:15 a.m.

    @ Diane: Let me get this straight...

    2002, US Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan attacked, 10 killed
    2004, US Embassy in Uzbekistan bombed, 2 killed, 9 injured
    2004, US Consulate in Saudi Arabia stormed, 8 killed
    2006, US Embassy in Syria attacked, 1 killed
    2007, US Embassy in Athens grenade launched into
    2008, US Embassy in Serbia set fire to
    2008, US Embassy in Yemen bombed, 10 killed

    and not a peep from you about the injured and dead from these attacks or the US response to them.

    My question is simple: Why?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    DANGER - listening to large doses of radio broadcasts featuring loud mouths with microphones and agendas to sell in order to sucker people into sending money into their already huge bank accounts can have deleterious effects on the human mind.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    There is only one explanation for this letter - FOX "news" and this newspaper's increasingly uncritical embrace of far-right politics.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Sept. 16, 2013 7:46 a.m.

    President Obama won.

    Romney lost.

    Time to get over it.

  • Sal Provo, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 7:36 a.m.

    The election was only a few weeks away. Pres. Obama couldn't risk his chances by sending in planes and troops to rescue our Ambassador Stevens and others. So he put out a cockamamie story about a spontaneous uprising due to a video offensive to Muslims.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 7:05 a.m.

    Because you are not privy to the same information as the president. That is why.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 7:05 a.m.

    My question is simple: Why do so many people listen and parrot everything they hear from college drop-outs on AM radios?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Sept. 16, 2013 5:44 a.m.

    "My question is simple: Why?"

    Why? Because your whole premise is totally faulty.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Sept. 16, 2013 5:38 a.m.

    My comment today is not directed toward the author of this letter. It is clear what her motive is. My question is to the editors of the DN Editorial page. I know you have a number of letters to choose from when deciding which ones to publish on this page. Why on earth would you print this letter that is so uninformed about what really happened in Benghazi and what the motivations of the president were. Why would you promote such vile hatred towards the leader of our nation when your heading states that you "encourage a civil dialogue among (your) readers". Is this letter encouraging such civility or is it just inciting outrage on both sides of the issue. Does it offer understanding of the facts; does it bring us together as a nation in coming to a common understanding of the dark forces working against us and how we can, together, work to rid this world of such evil forces? When you encourage irresponsible rhetoric that does nothing to enlighten us you only reduce your own stature in the journalistic profession. Is this letter representative of the best you had to choose from?

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 12:16 a.m.

    Even John Bolton, the furthest right of the right wing defense hawks admitted that, in real time, it would have been impossible to determine whether to pull security away from our embassy in Tripoli and shift it to the consulate in Benghazi.