Was the U.S. outfoxed on Syria? Lawmakers debate the question

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  • Hank Jr Draper, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 7:48 p.m.

    Obama got schooled by Putin, plain and simple.

  • Crank santaquin, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 5:12 p.m.

    m.g scott

    No. He wouldn't say WWII was "a good war". He said war is 'bad'. Only a conservative war-hawk would say a war was "good war". I think your confusing a 'justified war' with a 'good war'. The problem is the over simplification you folks apply to the taking of lives for politically motivated wars. (Note: Before you start getting all black and white on me again... I'm not saying WWII was a political war or an unjustified).

    The president made no mistake here. Save your breath,“There was never a bad peace or a good war.” Your trying to hard to argue a simple truth because you don't like the president. Politics make people say the darndest things.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 3:02 p.m.

    The British claim that half the rebels are radical groups. It is hard to praise Assad as any better, though he has tended to protect Christians of which there seems to be 2 million in Syria. Al quaeda and the radical groups are our deadly enemies. Maybe best not to get involved. Our best defense is a strong free enterprise system since that is the only way to a strong economy. Our president doesn't see it that way.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 16, 2013 11:49 a.m.

    Not sure, but here it goes:

    " it's best to be thought of being a fool, than to open your mouth and removing all doubt".

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 7:07 a.m.

    Who cares who get the style points. At least we are not in another war.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 16, 2013 1:19 a.m.

    Obama was out foxed, but doesn't have enough common sense to know it.

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 11:42 p.m.


    You think Madison would have said that during WW11? And speaking of WW11, you think that was not a good war? I do think it was Jefferson who warned us about foreign entanglements though, and by todays standard maybe that would be a good thing to consider. Obama, by the way has only been caught up in his off the cuff words that put him in this position. Otherwise I doubt there would be any talk of attacking Syria.

  • Crank santaquin, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 7:38 p.m.

    Just who is being out-foxed here? Strange that people would say that the president, who didn't jump into another American war has been out-foxed. “There was never a bad peace or a good war.” ― Benjamin Franklin "If tyranny and oppression come to this land it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." — James Madison “No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.” ― James Madison

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 6:39 p.m.

    If Assad stays in power and continues to kill the opposition, whether by chemical weapons or conventional ones, then Russia and Putin get what they want, Iran gets what it wants, and of course Assad gets what he wants. That's a lot of foxes in the hen house. I'd say if that happens, Obama will wish he could take back the "Red Line" comment and could go back to ignoring Syria like he had been for the previous two years.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 6:20 p.m.

    Obama seems to be intimidated by Putin and is happy that he was offered a way to save face after Congress and the American public wouldn't back him.

  • ute alumni paradise, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 5:02 p.m.

    The ones that were outfoxed were americans who voted obama into office.......twice. now he is outfoxed by putin. you can't make this up

  • Dadof5sons Montesano, WA
    Sept. 15, 2013 3:47 p.m.

    America was not out foxed. Obama and John Kerry were! Putin is playing three level chess, and Obama is playing tidily winks. Obama had Foreign policy by brain farts. Sorry this is what you get from a person that plays more golf then tiger woods. taken more vacations then any president in history. Says out landish rhetoric of crossing red lines in debates. Obama is a 100% out of his league.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 2:50 p.m.

    Maybe Obama was looking for an out and this was why he jumped on it. He has no stomach for war.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 15, 2013 2:18 p.m.

    The U.S.? No, just what passes himself off as a president.