Health costs likely rising for many self-employed

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  • county mom Monroe, UT
    Sept. 16, 2013 1:22 a.m.

    We now are headed to where only the wealthy and the non working have health care.

    The rest of us will soon be priced out of care.

    I don't understand why so many who comment here do not know or consider that the majority of our national debt is owned by the massive US Insurance Companies.

    They own our governmental debt over 14 trillion of it.

    Consider Obamacare. A new tax that directly lines the pockets of the share holders of those massive companies. It gives them control over how we will be insured and how much each individual will pay. There are no limitations in Obamacare for how high premiums can get.

    Consider that these same Insurance companies insure Hospitals. The indigent eat away at the profits of any hospital, making for a slimmer bottom line.

    Now consider that Obamacare taxes the working class to pay for the indigent. Making the profits of Hospitals greater.

    Onamacare also gives those over the allocation of care the ability to deny care to those whose care is to costly.

    This entire new tax law, Obamacare, was completely created for the profit of massive insurance companies.

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    Sept. 13, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    To "UT Brit" I don't think you know what the word "inefficient" means. Just because people are uninsured does not mean that it is inefficient. Inefficient is what you have in England, and what they have in Canada. Having to wait for a procedure or to get care in inefficient.

    The only reason why people go outside the US for care is for routine procedures. However, many that do so are going for cosmetic surgeries. You should also remember that few go to the UK or Europe for treatment. Why do you think that is?

    Just look at what the WHO report on healthcare had to say about the US system. It said that the US has the most technology available, and is the quickest to respond for treatment. The only areas that the WHO was able to lower the US standing was for socialistic policies. They didn't like how the US has people being responsible for their own healthcare. Ignoring the complete report just shows that you can't accept the fact that the US has the best care available.

  • UT Brit London, England
    Sept. 13, 2013 2:46 a.m.


    US healthcare can be very good, I have had poor treatment from it but I am not going to assume that is the same for everyone. There is a difference between health care treatment and health care system.

    Why did 80,000 people come to the US for healthcare treatment and 750,000 left the US to get treated in other countries in 2007? Its predicted the number of Americans leaving the US for health care will be 1.2 million this year.

    You have an inefficient system that leaves 10's of millions uninsured who then rely on the ER for treatment. I have never waited so long in an ER than when I was in the US.

    Oh and saying "Only socialistic studies put us last" is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting lalalalalallaalalala when someone presents you cold hard facts and figures. If you had actually lived in other countries you might be able to do some comparisons. I have lived in France, Germany, the UK and the US. I would never want to experience the US health care system again.

  • Solutions not Stones Spanish Fork, UT
    Sept. 12, 2013 8:06 p.m.

    "President Obama's health care reforms will be a huge boost to the working poor"

    That is of course if the working poor don't have there hours cut below 30 per week or lose their job all together.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 12, 2013 7:21 p.m.


    You are so right!

    Liberals want politicians to referee our lives. Punish the play makers, and make all players equal.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 12, 2013 5:13 p.m.

    @! LPS LIBERAL-- "for profit Insurance Company"?

    Why do people have health problems, and no insurance? You blame insurance companies?

    In the America I grew up in,-- people are responsible, and don't blame someone else for the results of their decisions.

    Politicians are not our parents.

  • TOO Sanpete, UT
    Sept. 12, 2013 4:31 p.m.


    Haven't you learned by now you can't use common sense with a lib? It's like trying to nail jello to the wall.

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    Sept. 12, 2013 12:39 p.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" Let me answer you questions.

    Doctors already choose who lives and dies based on money. There are many instances where doctors have to allow a person to die because their hospital does not have the money to stock the necessary medical devices to treat a person adequately.

    You ask why insurance companies should decide who lives and who does not. That is a lie. Insurance companies only decide what they will reimburse expenses for. It is the individual that decided if their life is worth the $10,000 for surgery. What the new system goes towards is taking that decision away from the individual and puttin it in the hands of a bureaucrat. Is it easier on your conscience if it is a bureaucrat condeming grandma to death, rather than you being too cheap to pay for her care?

    To "UT Brit" if the US system is so bad, why is it that so many foreign leaders come to US hospitals for critical care? Why is it that we have the most Nobel prizes for medicine? Why is it that the US has the highest cancer survival rate in the world? Only socialistic studies put us last.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 12, 2013 7:12 a.m.

    Its not only likely for the self employed, its a fact to life for the american citizens and elderly and working citizens that heath care is being given the death warrant. Only undocumented and illegal foreign Natalina can benefit on free health care even thought the democrats and Obama deny it. Provisional service is granted free to undocumented non citizens with unlimited care and costs.

    However, when the workers and elderly and unemployed americans drop their insurance polices and health care services it will destroy the trillion dollar industry if they loose fraction of the amreican people in their clinics.

    Grandma's secrets aren't dead yet and we don't have to have health care insurance or doctors. How ever you slice or dice it, socialize health care is dead and so is insurance.

    Health care and insurance was the creation of organized labor agreements that no longer exist life has become optional. Governemnt knows it can's fund it and with poverty economics dictates the people can't either so this dream state is due to fail. Socialized health care will not work in America and a state of poverty.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 12, 2013 5:05 a.m.

    BO: If you like your current plan, you’ll be able to keep it.

    “got an email from his health insurance company informing him that the plan he bought on the individual market is going to be cancelled.”

    BO lied.

    “the cost of insurance could become a burden for those who make too much money for government subsidies but not enough to be considered well-off.”

    Thanks, BO, for nothing!

    “many younger singles who are self-employed will decide against buying health insurance despite the government mandate, opting instead to pay the fine.”

    Obamacare’s a failure.

    DN Subscriber2,
    Nor does Obamacare increase access to healthcare as the failed experiment in MA showed.

    Obamacare’s a lie!

    Spoken like one with e vested interest – thanks for the disclosure

    No rants about how CEOs already get coverage? C’mon, that’s the neighbor's ox you covet most, why not rant about it here, too?

    Tell BO to keep his promise and make sure the plan you have will still be offered.

  • UT Brit London, England
    Sept. 12, 2013 5:02 a.m.

    @Wayne Rout

    Please provide the metrics used to determine that America has the "the best health care system in the world".

    If it is the best, please also explain why no other 1st world country uses a similar system.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 11:36 p.m.

    Mcallen, TX

    LDS Liberal--Your idea of fair is twisted.
    Should a high school drop out have the same life of an honor roll, or college student?

    Do we all share the same, or are there different mansions?
    A person is responsible for their decisions!!
    8:09 p.m. Sept. 11, 2013


    Doctor's don't get to pick and choose who lives and who dies based on who gets rolled in to the E.R. based on money.

    Why should a for profit Insurance Company get to select who is worthy or wealthy enough to live or die?

    Yours is the twisted interpretation of human equality, IMHO.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Sept. 11, 2013 9:19 p.m.

    "rising for many"? Rising for everyone. The goal of Obama care was to destroy the best health care system in the world and he won't stop until he completes this task. Maybe Senator Hatch can explain liberal logic better than others. Obama care is not needed. We are fixing a problem that did not exist and creating a whole new entitlement when we don't have the money to cover the ones we have. The costs will skyrocket after 2014.

  • Daniel Leifker San Francisco, CA
    Sept. 11, 2013 8:27 p.m.

    I would love to know how ObamaCare will affect me. I am self-employed and pay a modest amount each month for medical insurance. My insurance provider has notified me that changes will come later in 2013, but they are not ready to give me the details. I have been shopping around on the exchanges in my state (CA) and am suffering sticker shock because the cheapest plans on the exchange are over 50% higher than what I pay now. The only thing I know for certain is that I cannot keep my current plan, even though I liked it a lot.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 11, 2013 8:09 p.m.

    LDS Liberal--Your idea of fair is twisted.

    Should a high school drop out have the same life of an honor roll, or college student?

    Do we all share the same, or are there different mansions?

    A person is responsible for their decisions!!

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 7:32 p.m.

    The article used 2 examples;
    Self employed...

    if you make OVER $100,000 it's gonna cost more.
    if you make LESS the $42,000 you are exempt from paying anything.

    Just like our already progressive tax,
    Seems fair to me.

  • Kimber Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 7:29 p.m.

    You are right paintandestroy, the options are already bad. And now, at least, there is a way for people to get health insurance with no pre-existing conditions. Many people would give up on the insurance when they went Bankrupt over medical bills that the insurance wouldn't cover. The ACA isn't perfect, but it's a good start to help our country fix our medical insurance nightmare.
    An ACA Volunteer and former Health Insurance Technician

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    More Associated Press spin for the Obama regime, trying to put lipstick on a pig.

    Obamacare does nothing to improve the quality or quantity of health care, only to create an unworkable rationing system at increased costs. It will prove to be so unpopular and ineffective that people will (foolishly!) beg for a single pay government run program. Of course, that will be even worse, but the politicians will promise everyone it will be great.

    If you like your program you can keep it? Another big lie.
    It will cost less? An even bigger lie.

  • paintandestroy Richmond/Cache, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 3:11 p.m.

    For the self employed the options were already bad. Paying more might will be worth it if actually means getting more. Being self employed I can assure you the current system leaves a lot to be desired. Bring it on (and I didn't even vote for Obama).

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 11, 2013 2:48 p.m.

    How many of these self-employed, voted for Obama?