Colorado senate president, second lawmaker booted in gun control law recall elections

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  • Viva la Migra American Fork, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 6:04 p.m.

    The Colorado legislature passed seven separate gun control bills in 2013. Most of them were drafted by NY Mayor Michael Bloomberg. Obama and Biden both got involved in lobbying legislative members to vote for them. Mayor Bloomberg had his personal lobbyist camped out at the State Capitol throughout the session. Morse publicly told other Senators to ignore calls from voters.

    They scheduled a vote for all seven bills on the same day, and limited public testimony against the bills, including multiple sherifs who had driven hours to testify. But they did allow outsiders like Mark Kelly to testify. The bills passed with 0 Republican votes and were signed into law by the governor after multiple phone calls from Bloomberg.

    One of the bills required a background check for any gun transfer, which they defined as a father handing his gun to a child while hunting, or a gun owner leaving a gun with his wife while he left on vacation or was deployed overseas, or dropping a gun off for repair.

    In the aftermath, one of Colorado's largest gun manufacturers (Magpul) announced they were leaving the state, taking 300 jobs and $80 Million in Revenue away.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    read the article.
    "Reported contributions to Morse and Giron totaled about $3 million, dwarfing the amount raised by gun activists who petitioned for the recall."

    it was not the NRA that was the big player here financially or otherwise - the other side raised a lot more (OUTSIDE) money than did the pro-constitution folks.

    those you oppose are a well-financed lobby, but those you support are a groundswell of righteous, recommend holders with no intent other than to free and enlighten others? Really?

    old man,
    those who don't think like you are insane fearmongers?
    Thanks for again demonstrating how "tolerant" the left really is.
    You must have an in with the DN "moderator". If I called a group of people insane fearmongers, they'd block my comment. how do you get yours past them?

  • TMR Los Angeles, CA
    Sept. 11, 2013 2:07 p.m.

    Dear Chase - the same "causality" argument you posit is advanced by those who defend the publication of porn without constraint, i.e., porn does not cause deviancy. I am sorry but I don't need data for me to form a rational belief that the gun culture you embrace is on par with the porn culture in that both rest on constitutional predicates and do a lot of harm.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Sept. 11, 2013 1:48 p.m.

    Dont' these gun control people realize that the more they talk about controlling guns, the more guns are sold? A few months ago I bought the first gun I've ever owned that is more powerful than a 22 just because Obama was fussing so much about it.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 1:28 p.m.

    Too bad Utah doesn't have "recall" because a few others would be in trouble in this State.

    I'm OK with guns being available, but the rights activists never allow the thought that there are some that shouldn't have guns. (HINT: They are the mentally ill that shoots masses of people and aren't even competent to stand trial, but they can load and fire a weapon, which they too often do.) The practice of "let's give everyone a gun and a knife--especially a 'gun'---just doesn't make us all safer. It makes us all more likely to be shot, that's all.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    Government driven by special interests. It's just getting worse. What happens when a special interest group drives a change with which you disagree? Will your tune change? Is your love of guns so deep that you will sell your freedom?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 1:12 p.m.

    "Gun ownership has been notably increasing accross the nation"

    The percentage of households with guns has been declining the past couple decades.

  • FelisConcolor North Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 12:32 p.m.


    +87 to everything you said.

    Politicians who vote for gun control will find themselves between Arock and a hard place. I personally can't think of a more Aimless movement than the gun control lobby. Some of them seem...familiar.

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    Sept. 11, 2013 11:49 a.m.

    I happen to believe in freedom and equality for all. The 2nd amendment is a strong defense against totalitarianism. Many of you good people need to think about what happens when the barbarians (govt. included) are the only ones with arms.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 11:34 a.m.


    Second Amendment insanity is based on fear that is being spread by insane conservative fearmongers and the good ol' NRA.


    Is common sense dead?

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Sept. 11, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    Shameful and pathetic. I love the comments about how this was "righteous" and that the lack of guns indicates decay in society. If that is the case, my parents and all of us (recommend carrying, RM Mormons) are unrighteous. None of us own any guns. I thought lack of love for one's neighbor was the real sign of decay.

    Let's be honest, people, the NRA is a well-financed LOBBY group in the beltway that makes its millions off of scared people like many who have commented here. How many robocalls and fundraising letters did you all get in the weeks following Newtown last year? I lost count...

  • Chase Saint George, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 11:08 a.m.


    That was "swinging at branches". The phrase, Root and Branches, is an idiom.

    If you want to eliminate a weed (problem), removing anything but the "root" is futile (ex. swinging at the branches).

    Your argument is that there is a correlation between "troubled society"/"culture of violence" and the proliferation of guns. I'm pointing out that your logic is flawed. "Troubled societies" and "cultures of violence" are symptoms of degradated culture(s). Guns, in and of themselves, are not and cannot be the "root" of the problems of which you speak.

    Very few people are willing to address the real causes (root) of the problems our society is being choked by:
    - destruction of the traditional nuclear family/abdication of the parental duty to teach
    - immorality in its endless forms
    - greed/pride
    - disintegration of ethics
    - decreased belief of and obedience to God

    The world seems more interested in freedom (ie. the erroneous belief that one has the right to act and be free from the consequences of those actions).

  • TMR Los Angeles, CA
    Sept. 11, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    Dear Chase - sorry, you lost me somewhere in the "swinging branches."

  • Chase Saint George, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 9:19 a.m.


    Ergo, before the advent of firearms and the proliferation thereof, society was not troubled? Before the advent of firearms and the proliferation thereof, a culture of violence did not exist?

    Ergo, because a majority of gun owners are irresponsible (proof, by the way?), the 2nd amendment should be recalled because of the many, in spite of the few?

    Not only is a history lesson in order, but a lesson in constitutional theory.

    Sir/Ma'am, your arguments are not only misleading to those who don't know better, but they are illogical and incongruent. This is a text-book demonstration of logical fallacy.

    If, as you point out, a culture is awry, then it is the culture that should be scrutinized, not objects. Everything else is just swinging at branches, as they say.

    If a culture of violence is rising, the 2nd amendment is precisely what free peoples require to defend and protect themselves in pursuit of Life, Liberty, and Happiness. Surely you believe in the pursuit?

    In your quest of solutions, you've become distracted with symptoms...

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    Sept. 11, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    Giron's opponent had 56% of the vote.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    The good news is they got booted out the not so good news is the margin was very slim.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 11, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    @ Esquire. Recall elections are to hold politicians accountable for their actions. The people of Colorado did just that, hardly "special interest". Quite the opposite in fact, its call democracy!

  • TMR Los Angeles, CA
    Sept. 11, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    To mjrre - no need for a lecture on history: if I relied on simple sound bites, believe me, I would be on your side. Although gun owners in Providence, Utah, may be responsible, you should understand that the majority of gun owners elsewhere are not the patriotic-colonial types that you envision. I am glad to see that you concede the connection between moral and societal decay. The proliferation of guns in modern society is a symptom and a cause of a culture of violence, which is immoral no matter how you slice it.

  • Samson01 S. Jordan, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 8:36 a.m.

    "Government by special interest groups.... Oh boy! We are in trouble."

    So which side of this issue are you referring to?

    "Reported contributions to Morse and Giron totaled about $3 million, dwarfing the amount raised by gun activists who petitioned for the recall, though some independent groups didn't have to report spending. Both the NRA and Bloomberg contributed more than $300,000 to the pro- and anti-recall campaigns."

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 8:24 a.m.

    Government by special interest groups.... Oh boy! We are in trouble.

  • mjrre PROVIDENCE, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 8:12 a.m.

    TMR, the proliferation of guns has never been a signal of a troubled society. A proliferation of guns shows a safer society regardless of what the propaganda teaches. When this country was founded every household in the country owned a gun or multiple guns. Study your real (not revisionist) history and don't depend on modern media for information. You are sorely misinformed on that point.

    Pornography, yes. That is a sign of a troubled society. And history is repeating itself. When morals decay, society decays.

    But the increase of guns (of which that is also a falsehood, ownership is decreasing). The lack of guns shows a decay in society not the reverse.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 7:57 a.m.

    Elected officials need to listen to their constituents. This is America.

  • Shane333 Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 11, 2013 7:52 a.m.

    A righteous outcome. Two politicians who misused their legislative powers to infringe on a right enumerated in the Constitution have now been removed from office. There are so many more who need to be removed.

    Gun ownership has been notably increasing accross the nation, and crime has notably decreased over the same time period, except primarily in those parts of the country where intrusive government has sought to disarm the citizens. "Gun Control" laws are irrational and counterproductive...unless one's intent is to subject the people.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    Sept. 11, 2013 7:16 a.m.

    Angela Giron was replaced by a notable margin in the recall. Colorado voters were upset by her stand on other issues besides gun control. She did not listen to her constituents, and in fact flaunted her lack of concern for them.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 11, 2013 7:12 a.m.

    This indeed sends a powerful message. The 2nd amendment won and sensible Americans know more useless gun laws are not the answer to crime. Just like spoons and forks do not really cause obesity, guns do not cause crime in Colorado and especially in Chicago.

  • TMR Los Angeles, CA
    Sept. 11, 2013 6:51 a.m.

    How sad. The proliferation of guns and pornography - two symptoms of a troubled society.