WHAT NOW?How does a supposedly "big boy" program only manage
to finish in the AP Top 25 FIVE times in their entire history, none before
1994.Call us when you get to double digits.At your
current rate of one AP Top 25 finish every 15.4 years, it'll take the Utes
another 77 years just to match the TEN AP Top 25 finishes BYU had already
achieved THREE years BEFORE Utah was ranked for the first time.Get
back to us in 2090 and let us know how it's going.Waiting...
@anythingbutthetruthmachineComplaining about UTAH running up the
score when you know BYU has a history of doing the same thing.Calling UTAH people out for what your team does as well, is commonly referred
to as being a HYPOCRITE.But you're a BYU fan, so that's to
be expected.My favorite scores over the last 10 years...UTAH 52 BYU 21UTAH 48 BYU 24UTAH 54 BYU 10Favorite
stats over the last 10 years...UTAH 7 wins BYU 7 lossesSo, how does a legacy team, with an ESPN contract, with an annual top 25
ranking, with an annual shot, at the National Championship, with all the
accumulated awards as well as the 60th largest FB stadium in America lose
consistently to UTAH?Get back to us when BYU can put-up, at least,
three 24 to 44 point whippings, on the UTES, over the next 10 years, so that
fans will at least have an equal basis for comparison.Waiting.
@ekute"I watched the Utah-Weber State game from whistle to
whistle. There was NO running up the score. Weber State was inept."What about the last TD of the first half? I confess I didn't watch any of
the game, but I think this one might qualify... "Weber State
assistants cared about the way they were treated at Rice-Eccles Stadium. They
weren't too happy about Utah tacking on a touchdown late in the first half
to extend its lead to 49-0. As they passed the Utah assistants on their way to
the elevator they expressed their feelings about the Utes' two-minute
offense to end the half, and afterwards head coach Jody Sears talked about
Way to go utes. Ranked 43rd in the coaches poll with a whopping two votes. I
guess when you are not a national brand like BYU you don't get the respect.
BYU got many more votes that U, by far.The WSU game did nothing for you
in the public eye. Maybe when u can become a national brand and play on
national TV each week we will talk.
Chase- I agree with no rankings until at least week 4. Preseason rankings give
the inside track to a NC to the top 4 teams whether they are really that good or
not. Give everyone the chance to show their stuff the first couple of weeks,
then rank accordingly. Until we have a true playoff system ( the one that will
come into use soon, is a joke) there should be no rankings used until teams have
showed their strengths/weaknesses on the field. Too many times we see teams
ranked high, lose a game early, then because of their high ranking, they eke
their way back into the top while other teams who had lower preseason rankings,
have better W-L records yet can't crack the top. College football needs a
true playoff system. At least 8 teams, but I would like to see it at 16.
Texas is a bad team, period. I am a UT grad and the sooner Mack goes, the
better. they need new blood, plenty of coaches could get the Horns rolling
WHAT NOW?LaVell's teams of the 80's were constantly
accused of running up the score; that's what happens when you have a
prolific offense playing weak defenses.Frankly, I'd much rather
be accused of running up the score while finishing with double-digit win seasons
and Top 25 rankings every year, than to be finishing with mediocre seasons and
no Top 25 finishes.I particularly liked these lopsided scores:27-0 - most lopsided shutout in the last half century56-6 -
largest margin of victory in the series56-2855-770-31 - most
points scored by one team in the series
ShaunTexas's defense was selling out to stop the pass, so
Travis had very little time to set up to pass; the flip side is, BYU rushed for
a school record 550 yards, which coincidentally, is the most rushing yardage
EVER given up by Texas.
@toosmartforus"...And as long as we're pointing fingers at
each other, how about the really classy run-it-up score of 70 - 7 against Weber
State? We all know from Utah's on-side kick when leading Wyoming by several
touchdowns and their score from yesterday that any class in Utah's football
program is non-existent. But it's the "U"----so what would one
expect? Nothing less.....".1980 BYU 83 UTEP 7One
game?Not on your life.A little research will show you
more examples...Your welcome.
The logic of a UTE fan (you know who you are):We belong to the
PAC-10 annex. Therefore, we will receive greater exposure and thus better
recruits. We are a superior program, superior speed, superior talent. Pre game: BYU will lose to Texas Superior speed, superior athletes, superior
program. Post game: byu is still not good, Texas was overrated. So...Like RockOn says, you can't have it both ways.
How do you explain a "superior" program, recruits, 'starred
players', and coaching losing to little old BYU? "Texas
was overrated = Ute fans realizing they may have counted their eggs (wins)
before they hatched. A little worried are we, ute fans? Ute fans are so
preoccupied with "inferior" BYU because they can't deal with the
reality that they have not been competitive in the PAC-10 annex, and there is
not much indication that will change. Ute hope: USC and OSU are down
(I.e. utah's program is not more competitive, therefore they must rely upon
underperforming conference members for hope.)
Logic:Unranked Miami Beats #12 Florida by 5 points - Miami receives
#15/#18 rankingUnranked BYU beats #15 Texas by 19, with record
rushing - receives no ranking. I AM NOT suggesting BYU should be
ranked. I am pointing out the incongruent logic of poll voting. My
point: There should be no rankings for the first 4-6 weeks. Voters are BCS
homers, to the max. I watched Miami and they were not #15/#18 good.
It will be interesting to see if coach Whit. will eat his words for criticizing
"Up-tempo" offenses. You can bet it got back to Anae. Lots of the same
Ute Trolls coming back to to these threads after regrouping for the last 24
hours ...you know who you are... LOL
Byu can not continue to win with a quarterback that completes a quarter of his
passes and is essentially Riley Nelson. Byu's opponents will start to
adjust and stop the quarterback run game.
I don't see Texas being that good. They just fired their DC and obviously
their program is in disarray.I think Mack Brown has had a solid
coaching career but is a bit long in the tooth and has let things in his program
slip. I think losing Musgrave to Florida was a huge loss to their program. I
see Mack Brown as being a bit like Auburn's Gene Chizik who lucked into a
remarkable athlete at quarterback and with good coordinators won a national
championship. Both the quarterbacks and top coordinators left and their
programs have slipped big time. Brown is a bit smarter than Chizik so it
hasn't quite has been as problematic for Texas, plus he doesn't have
Alabama in his state.Bottom line I see Texas going 8-5 or 7-6. They
will likely get crushed by Oklahoma and winning games in their league will be
tough, especially if Ash misses games. I give BYU credit for having
a good game plan and the play of Hill was excellent, especially running the
ball. But it should be obvious to all that Texas isn't the Texas of
Darrell Royal or anything close.
I watched the Utah-Weber State game from whistle to whistle. There was NO
running up the score. Weber State was inept. Wilson was replaced at half and
many second, third and fourth stringers played the entire second half. I had
problems with what Whittingham did with Wyoming but this was not the case here.
If Utah kept playing its starters they might have scored a 100 points,
that's how bad Weber played.
Sorry Ute fans, you can't have it both ways: Before the game crowing and
bragging about how BYU is going to get trashed by Texas #15 and how awful BYU is
and then, after the game talk about how overrated Texas is. Fact is
NO ONE of note figured on what happened. Gordo Monson trashed BYU's offense
before the game and then meekly acknowledged the offense did well. No duh.It all comes down to credibility akin to the Little Boy Who Cried
Wolf.That said, a number of very classy Ute fans congratulated BYU
in Comments on other stories and that kind of fan is to be respected and
Any team that get handled by the team that lost to Virginia, is not a top 25
team. Did you see what a fast and hard athletes did to Virginia?Oregon 59Virginia 10Lol!
I make it a point before and after the games to talk to visiting fans. I
usually get very positive interactions.I talked with about 12
different Texas fans after the game last night. They were all very grateful for
the kindness, hospitality and graciousness of the BYU fans. They liked Provo
and Salt Lake and many marveled at the rainstorm we had before the game.They all felt embarassed by their teams tackling and had high praise for
the Cougars aggressive defense. Several said they thought their defense was
suspect and that the run game BYU had surprised them.They individually all
wished the Y success in the rest of their season. I wished them all a safe
journey home and invited them to come back anytime. All said they would love
to.It would be nice to have similar conversations with fans after
the game in two weeks.
Too smart for you, you must not have the PAC 12 network. I was at the game, and
the Utes didn't run it up. The 1s and 2s. Played the FIRST half, and the
2s 3s and 4s played the second half and scored 21. Run it up? Please...
Nice to see the "fans" come out of hiding and go right back to making
predictions and guarantees. I expect a lot of that for the next 2 weeks.
National ExposureDespite a nearly two-hour weather delay, 1.142
million people watched BYU demolish Texas on ESPN2 last night.Independence can work; BYU just needs to win.A win over Utah in a
couple of weeks will propel BYU back into the Top 25, especially if the Utes
don't lay an egg and lose to a much-weaker-than-expected Oregon State.
I met a Texas fan coming down the stairs at half-time with BYU leading 27-14; he
smiled at me and said "didn't see that coming". I was tempted to
mention that he obviously wasn't in Cougar stadium in 1988, but decided it
was better not to add to his obvious pain.Wouldn't be a bit
surprised to see both BYU and Texas ranked in the final polls.
"Texas was obviously overrated." so says ekute. I heard
that same cheer---"over-rated" chanted by USU students after BYU called
off the dogs one year in Logan during the 4th quarter after USU scored a
touchdown. They forgot the score after 3 quarters was 34 - 0 for BYU.I knew there would be Ute partisans saying that Texas was overrated.
Wouldn't it be funny to find out they weren't?And as long
as we're pointing fingers at each other, how about the really classy
run-it-up score of 70 - 7 against Weber State? We all know from Utah's
on-side kick when leading Wyoming by several touchdowns and their score from
yesterday that any class in Utah's football program is non-existent. But
it's the "U"----so what would one expect? Nothing less.....
ekuteThe Utes win a couple of home games against the 138th toughest
schedule in the country (so far) and suddenly they think they're world
beaters.Guaranteed, Texas will finish the season ranked higher than
most of the PAC teams on Utah's schedule.
Phantomblade -thank you for helping us keep it in perspective. It's always
nice to know how the schools in the state are perceived outside of our area.
ekute "Texas was obviously overrated."I agree. A solid
program doesn't do this in week 2:"Texas defensive coordinator
Manny Diaz was fired on Sunday after a 40-21 loss Saturday night to BYU, the
2013 is beginning eerily similar to 1988, with a disappointing opening road loss
at Wyoming 14-23, followed by a beat down of Texas 47-6 in Provo.BYU
finished the season beating Colorado in the Freedom Bowl in Ty Detmer's
Yes phantomblade, byu is overrated too.
Apparently so was weber state ute boy.
ekuteLOL at the spin!
AP Poll#29 Texas 26 points#32 BYU 14 pointsunranked Utah 0
pointsunranked USU 0 pointsCoaches Poll#29 Texas 38
points#32 BYU 18 pointsT-#43 Utah 2 pointsT-#43 USU 2
pointsSagarin#24 Texas (#94 SOS)#30 BYU (#32 SOS)#41 USU (#28 SOS)#45 Utah (#138 SOS)
Texas was obviously overrated.The Utes and the Aggies got some votes
in the Coaches Poll.Go Utes!