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  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Sept. 10, 2013 3:11 p.m.

    Ok liberals tell us how we solve our economic problems.

    You say that jobs are going overseas to countries with lower wages.

    Now you want to raise our wages.

    Raising our wages will make us even less competitive. We will lose more jobs to countries with low wages.

    How do you plan on fixing the economy by killing jobs?

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    Sept. 9, 2013 3:52 p.m.

    If you make the extra dollar you won't be entitled to the Government programs. May be, that is why wages are low so you are entitled to Government programs.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Sept. 9, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    high school fan, " most people work for a small businessman in this country" While technically true 52% it's still vey misleading. 20 million work for businesses with less than 20 employees (most peoples conception of a small business). 20 million more work for a company with between 20 and 99 employees. Another 15 million work for companies with between 100 and 499 employees, and 48% of the population works for companies with more than 500 employees.

    This is hardly the picture of the neighborhood bakery with grandpa getting up at two in the morning to pound out the rolls. BTW up until a very few years ago the easiest was to get rich..very rich, was buy a McDonalds franchise.

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 11:39 p.m.

    As you blame the 1%, just remember that most people work for a small businessman in this country rather a huge corporations. When they go after McDonalds, they forget that most of the restaurants are owned by franchisees and not the company.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Sept. 8, 2013 9:18 p.m.

    I didn't see the deleted posts, so I don't know anything more about them. But we shouldn't confuse posting on a privately-owned site with freedom of speech. The latter allows a broad range of opinion to be expressed without threat of government censor. Posting here just doesn't apply to that right.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 8:52 p.m.

    Very interesting. A couple of comments approved earlier in the day have simply disappeared.

    DN's censors must have become bored this afternoon. Although there really wasn't anything wrong with either of the comments.

    Ah, isn't Freedom of Speech wonderful?

    At least as long as as DN's censors like what is said.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 8:39 p.m.

    Same old arguments against raising the wage, except this time we have a lot of adults trying to support families on minimum.

    Where is your compassion for America's poor? It's been absent since the 80's.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Sept. 8, 2013 4:23 p.m.

    Republican plan to fix the economy and create jobs in America...

    Spend year chocking and eventually eliminate the middle class,
    push working class wages to sub livable levels and conditions,
    Americans return to a 4th world agri-based country of "you grow it, you eat it, or starve".

    Then the Future Global empires of China and India will eventually begin out-sourcing and offshoring THEIR middle class jobs BACK to America - paying them lower than Chinese and India workers salaries and creating a new middle class in America -- 2075.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 1:52 p.m.

    "...productivity since the 1970s completely ignores improvements in technology and automation that made that productivity possible." Well, for the first 150 years of this country increased productivity of labor, yes made possible in large part by investment in both machinery and education, was rewarded with higher wages. Now, you say that deal is off (apparently for the last 40 years). Tell me what is work for? Is it to support the vast majority of us who are labor, or is it to concentrate wealth so heavily that labor can't survive. I don't know about you, but I am labor and I will be rewarded for my increased productivity. What is society for?

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Sept. 8, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    GLOBAL ECONOMICS 2100: After US business leaders shipped all good jobs to China, they found themselves without a consumer base. Eventually, Americans ended up delivering pizzas to one another. Today, the USA has the GDP of Somalia.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    A well controlled and regulated capitalism is possibly the best economic system that can be devised by humans. Without the control and regulation, it’s just a different name for Law-of-the-Jungle.

    If we wish to remain a civilized society, our economic system has to fit the world in which we live. Not the world of hundreds of years ago. Perhaps not even the world of just a couple of years ago.

    Privately owned business operations are our choice for the economic system. However when the privately owned business operations fail to provide the needs of society our only choice left is the collective efforts of government. And while that choice may cost some freedoms, almost every human being will choose life over freedom.

    If we change the rules for business to bring back the proper sharing of wealth of society we can all still have private enterprise and live happy enjoyable lives.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Sept. 8, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    I'm good with that...

    So long as those who are making $Trillions as a result of those workers can't see a wage increase either.

    It's sad when WallStreet [who produces and makes NOTHING]
    can see earning increase by a factor of 10,
    and yet the workers who are actually doing the production see an increase of NOTHING!


    It's sort of like the soldier who gets food stamps and makes $9 an hour from the Government,
    and the Defense Contractors who make $100's of Billions a year from that same Government,
    and then YOU complain about the DoD budget, and ignorantly blame it on the soldier's pay.

  • isrred South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    So what happens when all these business realize that people's wages have been kept so low for so long that they no longer have any money to buy their goods and services? Someone else's employees are your customers and if they aren't getting paid because the money is going to increased profits for the 1% instead of workers, you're going out of business.

    That's really good for the economy.

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    Sept. 8, 2013 8:23 a.m.

    People that beg for minimum wage increase can they increase there wages without government intervention? Get rid of it all together. Where is minimum wage for business owners? Who can only make a surviving wage after expenses if enough customers patronize them to justify a wage increase.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    Those aren't frivilous spending teenagers in the photo that ended up associated with this letter, are they? The problem is that, for a lot of people, jobs in service industries are all there is left. Yeah, work yourself up is a great idea, and most people want to do that, but it doesn't work when the ladder only has one or two rungs. Large corporations are never, on their own, going to do what's in the best interest of people who work for them. A little regulation isn't a bad thing.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 4:10 a.m.

    "Alternatively, individuals can take accountability, improve themselves and work hard for a raise or seek a better job elsewhere."

    And employers can choose to put off the greedy man and pay their workers a fair wage for a change.

    Don't tell me greed on the part of the businessman has nothing to do with it, nor that he would be "forced" to raise prices, nor that his workers are less productive personally today than yesterday's workers were.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 1:37 a.m.

    Whatever, just don't complain when there's a lot of people making so little they still qualify for gov't assistance.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 12:42 a.m.

    If you look at a graph of worker productivity, it shows a fairly constant upward trend from 1940 until the present. If you look at a graph of worker wages, it closely follows the productivity graph from 1940 until 1980. From 1980 onward it simply flatlines.

    Economists have always told us that if you want to increase living standards, the way to do it is by increased productivity, that allows emplyers to increase wages without adding to inflation. So worker productivity has increases quite steadilty, so where has the extra money gone? It's gone into corporate profits and into the pocktes of the 1%. It certaily hasn't gone to the workers who have produced all that extra output.

    This is not a formula for a stable society. It is a formula for either anarchy or a police state.