Doug Robinson: High school athletic directors challenge salary claims made in Salt Lake Tribune

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  • trackfan provo, UT
    Sept. 6, 2013 10:20 p.m.

    One of the biggest fallacies of the teaching profession is that they only work 9 months a year. I have worked in education for many years (not a teacher, but an hourly employee) and two of my children have taught and coached. They have worked til mid June and then have to be back for meetings the beginning of August. They also have obligations for a week here and there during July because of their coaching responsibilities. Almost every teacher I know puts in far more time than people who are not teachers assume they do. Every year benefits are cut, class sizes increase, and more demands are placed on the teacher in the classroom to make sure each student passes state and federally mandated tests. Do teachers know all of this going in? Of course they do, and yet they chose to do it anyway because they care about our children and want to make a difference. Is is unfair that they are not compensated for all the hours they put in? I believe that it is, and yet they continue to do it. We are fortunate that they are willing to do so.

  • Rural sport fan DUCHESNE, UT
    Sept. 6, 2013 11:02 a.m.


    No, teachers usually sign a contract for the school year, plus a few days at either end. You are getting paid for 9+ months, but most teachers elect to take that pay and spread it into 12 payments.

    Yes, teachers can get a summer job...but so can contractors or loggers, yet they get unemployment.

    Yes, they knew the deal when they got in...and most aren't complaining. What makes them angry is when people say they are getting paid 6 figures when they really aren't, or when they get told they are working a part time job, when they obviously aren't.

    The benefit package is the real issue. On paper it looks like they are getting 30-40K that they aren't getting. Most teachers make betwen $25-$50K, all the rest is just accounting baloney.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 4, 2013 4:48 a.m.

    No, its not wrong that public employees pay is public information as it is in all governmnet jobs. Pay scales and pay rates are legal public information according to the titles and job they hold. So if one employee has more than one job the math is pretty simple for the 60 and older.

    I'm sure these 3 jobs are all paying him for the same 8 hour day. Getting paid for 24 hours of work every 8 hour day. Now that can't be justified by any human possibility of being in 3 places at the same time. May the pay rates for each job is justified, but one man being paid for 24 hours of work a day is criminal fraud. And its keep others from a job that is desperately needed. Teachers pay is not really bad for 9 months which they divide over 12 month period at teachers request.

    It also is not against the law for people working in jobs to compare and talk about their wages and incomes. But Utah labor laws that don't exist gives the employers the right to fire someone if they compare notes and wages, it's a slavery thing.

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 3, 2013 11:21 p.m.

    It's hard for me to complain about a teachers salary. Most are underpaid for their services and most have had to continue their educations earning graduate degrees (while working full time) to earn more money. Coached make Jack Squat for the time they put in, so if they have to double or triple dip to make a great salary, I say go for it!
    I make allot more than all these guys and I know I don't put in nearly the time they do. Plus they are great influences on our children and they do make a difference. If I were the whiners out there complaining about the salaries these guys are bringing in I think I would just say thank you and then shut the heck up. These AD's earn every bit of their salaries.

  • yankees27 Heber, Utah
    Sept. 3, 2013 10:45 p.m.

    rural sport- I think teachers sign a contract for the year don't they? I think they get a check in the summer too, but even if they don't, they can work in the summer as many do. Point is they get paid based on the contract they sign. No one is holding a gun to their head forcing them to be teachers, coaches, admin., whatever. Lots of people keep saying that when you factor in time involved it doesn't actually add up to much. Well, 40 hours a week or 80, 6 figures is still a nice salary. In fact, if you add up the whole year of time spent working, they might just be average. I'm self employed so i get it, sometimes you spend more time working than others, but average it out over the year, and I work about the same as the 9-5 crowd. But, I don't get the benefit package these guys do. That's ok, I made the conscious decision to do what I do, so not complaining, just saying teachers go into teaching knowing what awaits them, so maybe the ones wanting to make more, should be doing something else.

  • Braxton ogden, ut
    Sept. 3, 2013 9:21 p.m.

    Take benefits out and they are still 100k plus. Quite excellent for 9 months.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Sept. 3, 2013 8:54 p.m.

    I also think it is quite inaccurate how these salaries and benefits are figured. You can't eat a benefit. Benefits, as we might learn from Detroit, can be taken away or in some cases with medical insurance not used. I have a friend who has worked 20 years as a teacher and has gone to the Dr. once. He gets about $200 of his check removed every month for insurance which is now tens of thousands more contributed than he's ever used. The only thing that should be reported, which accurately can be reported dollar for dollar, is salary. The rest is just conjecture and hasn't actually been directly given to the "recipient."

  • Rural sport fan DUCHESNE, UT
    Sept. 3, 2013 7:27 p.m.

    The Big One...

    You really don't have a clue, do you?

    If you work construction and the season stops your work, or if you are a logger and you get laid off for a few months when fire danger is too high, you collect unemployment. Teachers are forced to not work for three months, and get nothing.

    But that is a lie, too. No teacher I know has ever actually had three months off. They have to go to workshops, clinics, summer programs for sports or other activities, often with no pay, and then during school, they often work 10 hour days, especially if they are involved in any sort of extra-curricular activity. Of course, they get paid for that. One teacher I know gets paid $1,500 as an assistant FB coach. He works for the 13 weeks of the season, 4 weeks before the season, and one week in the summer for camp. With all the varied hours of summer and game days, he ends up putting a minimum of 420 hours into the sport, and realistically, its closer to 500. That's $3 an hour.

    Yeah, that's a part time job you want, all right.

  • red rocks Saint George, UT
    Sept. 3, 2013 6:44 p.m.

    Big one

    Did you read any of the article? I don't know any of these individuals. I do know the AD at two of the local High Schools in St. George. I know they don't make nearly as much as is reported in the Utahs right to know. I also know that by the time you put a dollar figure to the amount of time they put in they don't make much. I challenge you to go follow one of the AD around for a week and then come back and comment. I promise you you won't be singing the same tune.

  • Braxton ogden, ut
    Sept. 3, 2013 4:44 p.m.

    I call B.S. I have seen Brown on the job. It's true, he spends a great deal of time preparing a field and watching games. As for teaching.....he is hardly there. He shows driver education films when he is there. A cake job compared to other teachers.

  • The Big One Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 3, 2013 3:21 p.m.

    I feel so sorry for Mr Moncur how can he live on a paltry 145,000 a year wow that is only triple the average salary in Utah for 9 months a year. I am marching into my boss tomorrow and demanding 150,00 per year and only work 9 months. These poor teachers.

  • The Big One Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 3, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    wish I got that much for a part time job

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 3, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    I do have to wonder how these men put in 80 hour weeks. Are you really saying they work 16 hours every day? True it is that they may get to the school at 5 am and not go home until 11 pm on sports nights. But do they do that everyday? The underlying issue here is not how much the men are paid to oversee sports; rather, it is how much they get paid to teach. You seem to claim they get paid next to nothing to do their other jobs outside of teaching. Well, their 6 digit salary needs to come from somewhere, so if being AD doesn't do it, being a teacher must.

    The real issue with education in UT is how much the admins get paid. Easily 6 figures for most of them.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Sept. 3, 2013 1:48 p.m.

    Reasonable Person: " why does one person get to triple-dip".

    Oh, brother. Educators are still trying to find a way to "single-dip." They do extra duty around the school to help pay the bills and maintain their teaching "hobby." It is amazing that Utah has so many masters-educated people who work that many hours for those salaries. Heaven bless 'em. The state legislature and many parents won't.

  • sportstats SLC, UT
    Sept. 3, 2013 1:24 p.m.

    I do not think it is very cool for you to thrash your counter part or competing paper. Not cool at all.

    So, you never did say that the numbers are wrong.

  • OlderGreg USA, CA
    Sept. 3, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    Reasonable Person: " why does one person get to triple-dip".

    Maybe because he took the time, spent the money, and put out the effort to get the assorted required certifications for the job. He also uses what would otherwise be his own free time to do the job.

    Others do have the same "opportunity"

  • OlderGreg USA, CA
    Sept. 3, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    This current rage of publishing Civil Service earnings is basically reasonable in the concept of accountability. However, when they start publishing identifying info on individuals, it becomes wrong!

    In my opinion, the honest and responsible way to do it would be by reporting the salary tables (possibly including how many positions are actually filled). That would show what position gets how much, and how increases are obtained.

  • Reasonable Person Layton, UT
    Sept. 3, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    Don't blame the Tribune.

    Blame the way the compensation is computed.
    The different jobs SHOULD be listed separately, AND we should know the total hours being compensated for in each job..

    By the way, why does one person get to triple-dip, when there are other people who could teach driver's training?