Court upholds 1st ban on gay-to-straight therapy

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  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 4:34 p.m.

    @ SCfan: So, you equate genital shock therapy and induced vomiting with religion? Interesting. Or are you perhaps implying that religion causes depression and suicide?

    I'm really not sure how you think your comment has anything to do with this discussion unless you think religion creates a known harm to children and society.

    @ happy2bhere: There are a great many things that were accepted in the past that we now know we were wrong on. And interestingly, there has always been someone to claim that the non-acceptance of that disproven idea would eventually lead to the downfall of society. So far, that hasn't happened. And I really doubt your scenario will come to pass either.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 3:32 p.m.

    You know spring street, some could make the same argument about parents teaching a certain religion to their children. You want government interfearing with that? And don't think the 9th Circus would not uphold it.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 3:28 p.m.

    Interesting that homosexuality used to be classified under "abnormal psychology". Won't be long before we "evolve" to the point where heterosexuality is classified as abnormal.

  • Contrariusester mid-state, TN
    Aug. 29, 2013 3:22 p.m.

    @Chris --

    "It is worth noting that many people have had success under this program."

    It is worth noting that you have never yet produced one shred of evidence to back up your claim of benefit, despite being asked several times to do so.

    It is a fact, however, that many people are harmed by this so-called "therapy".

    For some actual facts -- in contrast to Chris' counterfactual claims -- here's a few sources to refer to. These are mostly available online.

    -- "Position Statement on Therapies Focused on Attempts to Change Sexual Orientation" -- American Psychiatric Association

    -- "Youth in the Crosshairs: The Third Wave of Ex-Gay Activism" -- National Gay and Lesbian Task Force Policy Institute

    -- "Gay Rights, Patient Rights: The Implications of Sexual Orientation Conversion Therapy" -- in Professional Psychology: Research and Practice

    -- "Report of the American Psychological Association Task Force on Appropriate Therapeutic Responses
    to Sexual Orientation"

    -- "Ethical issues related to conversion or reparative therapy" -- American Counseling Association

    -- "'Therapies' to change sexual orientation lack medical justification and threaten health " -- Pan American Health Organization

    -- "Sexual orientation conversion therapy for gay men and lesbians: A scientific examination" -- in Homosexuality: Research Implications for Public Policy

  • Lane Myer Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 3:18 p.m.

    The success rate for this type of therapy is .05%! That means that for every 10,000 people who tried this method, 5 could claim that they were cured of they same sex attraction. But most of those successes simply said that they were not attracted to anyone. They became non-sexual, not heterosexual.

    Of the 9,995 that were not helped, many became depressed, suicidal, and unhappy with themselves that they could not change. Yes, these people wanted desperately to be loved and accepted as normal heterosexuals. No amount of shock therapy (to their genitals, btw) or prayer and fasting or vomit inducing drugs were able to change their attractions. Please read about these trials at BYU and why BYU no longer attempts this type of therapy.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 3:02 p.m.

    @ OlderGreg: Perhaps it is the stereotypes that should be changed instead of the child?

    @ Chris B: There was one study that reported some success - but the majority of the success they reported was getting the person undergoing the therapy to agree to be celibate (which is not really a success when the goal of the program is to change gender attraction) and the other part of the success was short-term, usually less than a year (again, not really success).

    If adults want to waste their time and money pursuing gay-to-straight conversion therapy, they are adults and we let them make that choice.

    But children and youth should not be forced into it because their parents don't like who they are.

    @ Cats: The 9th Circuit may be the most overturned, but they also have the most cases and cover the largest population of any Circuit Court.

    And the law does nothing to prevent adults from subjecting themselves to this type of therapy - it merely prohibits parents from forcing their children to participate in something that creates known harms.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 2:48 p.m.

    Fortunately, nobody can ban the scriptures, which do heal. I once read in the magazine "Christianity Today" that, at some point, we need to come to the realization that addiction is a spirituality problem. AA (alcoholics anonymous) tells people to pray to be healed. There is hope.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 2:42 p.m.

    Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free! I think it was Jesus who made this statement, but evidently, he didn't check with the state of California first.

  • kishkumen American Fork, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 2:42 p.m.

    OlderGreg, it is ok for a therapist to talk to minors about their behaviors, interests, gender role issues. It just isn't ok to try to use conversion therapy to change their sexual orientation. This is of course logical since their are decades of research showing the harm that conversion therapy has done on people.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 2:23 p.m.

    The ninth circuit is a joke. They are the most reversed of any court. This decision is a travesty and I hope it is reversed by the Supremes. No one should be prohibited from receiving this therapy if they want it. There are many who want this therapy and they should be allowed to have it according to their own desires. After all, this is supposed to be a free country. Actually, I'm not sure any more,

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 2:15 p.m.


    Yes, parents have the right to a certain extent to decide how to raise their child and what is best for that child.

    But, as a society, we have long recognized that there are limits on what parents can subject their children - and when the parents are subjecting the children to something with proven harmful effects, we have drawn the line and said no.

    Gay-to-straight conversion therapy creates a proven harm. Even many of those who have promoted it or performed it in the past have come to recognize that harm and have begun to speak out against it.

    It is the proper role of government to step in and protect children from this harm - just as they protect children from being beaten by their parents.

  • ChristoperB Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 2:13 p.m.

    It is worth noting that many people have had success under this program.

    Is it best to have young adults participate?

    That can be debated.

    But for someone who wishes to received help and the wish to receive this kind of help, it can be a great tool.

    The fact that several people have had success shows that some people can indeed change. Perhaps not all, or not to the fullest extent, but again evidence shows there has been some success.

    It is a worthwhile program for those wishing to receive help.

  • OlderGreg USA, CA
    Aug. 29, 2013 2:03 p.m.

    It's OK for a child to be stuck with a stereotype label because of behavior/interests that don't fall into stereotypical gender roles (i.e. a girl interested in Tonka toys, a boy who is artistic) or is experiencing the puberty hormone rage.

    But it is not OK for a professional to ask WTH?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    Since gay isn't an 'illness' to begin with, the whole concept is kind of loopy.