Unions looking to legal loopholes

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  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 11:00 a.m.

    @patriot. Congress did not exempt themselves or their staffs. A simple search will prove this.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 8:53 a.m.

    Republicans keep trying hard to make corporations (business unions) people, but unions of employees should not have a common voice and are evil. United we stand, only counts for businesses, and religious organizations.

    When will Americans wake up to the fact that the conservatives are Business First.
    Citizens have no real power and they want to take what little they do have away
    by demonizing unions, and seeking made in china products to support communism like mtnman.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Aug. 29, 2013 7:37 a.m.

    More Union bashing. Berman is incredibly ignorant of labor history and obviously a tool used to pull the wool over they eyes of the people. He is one of many tht are pushing this country ever closer to oligarchy. His ideas are the real threat to freedom, not Obama Care

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 6:45 a.m.

    Hayden, ID

    @ LDS Liberal. Baloney! Nothing you said can be substantiated.


    Oh? really??

    Unions created America's former Middle Class.

    [Absolutely! The trend in the rise and fall of the middle class was the participation in unions over the last 100 years.
    And by "middle class" I mean a father with a wife and kids affording a house and a car.]

    Unions broke down Communism through Eastern Europe and the USSR.
    [see "Solidarity" or "Lech Walesa"]

    Only 3rd world countries like China, Bangladesh, Mexico, Somalia and the United States are anti-Union.

    [The decline in unionization since WWII in the United States has been associated with a pronounced rise in income and wealth inequality and, since 1967, with loss of middle class income.]

    You move...

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 12:20 p.m.

    The dems have already created loopholes for members of congress so they get to opt-out of Obamacare. There is no question in my mind that Barack's unions will get the same treatment. As for the rest of us poor suckers.... well we are forced to drink the REAL poison cool-aide of Obamacare. Demagogues like Barack never change.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 10:43 a.m.

    @The Solution

    "Companies that agreed to meet union's outrageous demands have failed. Look at the auto-industry in the US for examples."

    You mean like Ford?

    It seems that when unions and companies work together to solve problems, the outcome can be positive.

    When both sides dig in and refuse to negotiate and compromise, then both sides suffer (sounds kind of like the government). Yes, both sides (labor and management) are guilty of obstructionism and equally share in the blame for a company's failure.

    You can't blame the unions for GM's and Chrysler's horrible and outdated car designs and really bad marketing campaigns. The unions didn't decide to keep putting out the same tired designs year after year after year. The "visionaries" at the top did that all by themselves.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 10:42 a.m.

    A workers union is a business. Workers unions as business operations are in competition with other business operations for the wealth created by the labor of workers. No other competition that business is engaged in has the vile, contention, ugly, dishonest and false witness as the competition that business operations carry out against workers. No other suppliers of goods or services to the business are controlled or treated so badly as employees.

    In America, just like the rest of the world all throughout history, the individual is at a disadvantage to the organized group and is easily oppressed. Only as a group can ordinary people stand up to the giant organizations of the world and resist the oppression brought by the natural greed of humans.

    Even our greatest union, the one we call the United States of America, is under attack by the plans and programs of the groups who want more power and wealth.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 28, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    @ Shaun. I was honestly trying to think of any taxes that are lower but we have so many more of them! Obamcare, for example, is a new tax. I pay nearly 50% of my income in one kind of tax or another: State and Federal income taxes, property taxes, FICA, Medicare and Medicaid, sales taxes, fuel taxes, excise taxes and lets not forget permits to build a house, permits to remodel a house, traffic tickets (haven't had one in years), inflation- the sneakiest tax, luxury tax, telephone taxes and if you drink or smoke, cigarette and liquor taxes. And didn't Obama just increase taxes on the "rich" which was a tax increase on all who pay taxes? Why, yes it was because the poor (or 47%) pay no federal income taxes!

  • The Solution Las Cruces, NM
    Aug. 28, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    Unions are responsible for several companies outsourcing, because their demands overexceed the corporations ability to sustain itself and remain profitable. Companies that agreed to meet union's outrageous demands have failed. Look at the auto-industry in the US for examples.

    So you think it's humanitarian to demand that fast food companies pay their employees more and give them benefits? So working part-time menial jobs should pull you out of poverty? At whose expense? If you could work at McDonalds without advanced education and be compensated the same amount as a school teacher in Utah, why graduate from high school, let alone college? Think of the consequences. Menial labor is not intended to be a career field in this country.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    @mountainman. Taxes are at a all time low and what has the government done specifically to bring down the middle class. Where are your substantiated claims?

    It appears to me you are against the middle class.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 28, 2013 8:56 a.m.

    @ Instereo. Consumers vote with their wallets and Made in China get most of their votes these days, not made in America by union employees. Opps, there goes our jobs!

  • Instereo Eureka, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    This article amazes me because of how it twists reality. Imagine how terrible it is that unions are working to get workers a living wage. We know what the average fast food worker or worker at Wal-Mart makes and how it's barely above the minimum wage and way below poverty wages. How appalling that unions would be concerned about that and try to do something. What about all the loopholes or outright disregard for the law that AIG did to get 150 Billion in taxpayer dollars to bail them out. What about the tax breaks or other uses of the law corporations use to get tax relief all the while not paying their workers living wages. I'm also tying to figure out what union moved a job to China. It was companies refusing to talk to unions who moved the jobs. Now some companies are moving them back because workers in China are starting to see the injustice of low wages. Pay a worker a good wage and they can buy what they produce.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 28, 2013 7:46 a.m.

    @ LDS Liberal. Baloney! Nothing you said can be substantiated. The middle class rose because of economic freedom, free enterprise and hard work. Taxes and government have destroyed the middle class in America. Communism expanded because of phony outgrowths of "worker's rights" which eventually had to be sustained by corrupt governments and their military, except in America, unions were bailout out by Obama with taxpayer money. The legacy of unions in America is printed on the labels of almost everything Americans buy: "Made in China".

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 6:33 a.m.

    Unions created America's former Middle Class.
    Unions broke down Communism through Eastern Europe and the USSR.

    Only 3rd world countries like China, Bangladesh, Mexico, Somalia and the United States are anti-Union.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 12:09 a.m.

    Quite ironic that Mr. Berman should complain about "front groups" using legal loopholes when he won't disclose the donors to his own group. I'm guessing that the group "Center for Union Facts" is funded by billionaires who want to pay their workers peanuts so they can keep all the money for themselves.