Governments need systems of checks and balances

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  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Aug. 28, 2013 11:28 p.m.

    You don't get it

    You know this was a BUSH program...that would have ended long ago, except obama decided to renew it. Bush had 9/11...what did obama have? NOTHING!!

    Can you say double standard? Typical!

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 5:12 p.m.

    Do you know anybody can read your e-mail? It's not called the "information highway for nothing.

  • Samson01 S. Jordan, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    "You guys just don't get it!

    This was a BUSH program."


  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 6:07 p.m.

    Really j? You do know we can all read the FULL post if all the commentors and no one makes that claim?

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Aug. 27, 2013 3:26 p.m.

    What the letter writer needs to do, is learn to make the case that private conversations and other communications are just as important in an expectation of privacy, as abortion activity, illegal aliens (especially those who vote or collect food stamps), and privacy of gays, criminals, and terrorists. When he accomplishes that, he will have the full support of obama, the obama media and all the leftist nut cases that lend so much to the deterioration of this once great nation.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    To the author, I think you confuse the government with the people that have been invading your privacy for a generation. Private enterprise. Until you take the money from politics, shake the tree to get rid of the obstructionists, most of which have been complicit then we will stay on this course. I wish I could say it was amusing that the same commenters in this forum that buried their head in the sand since 2001 suddenly "saw the light" just because we changed leadership but it is not amusing. Its a tragedy. If you want to be vigil then be vigil but don't be so blasted inconsistent. That's called hypocrisy.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    Obama supporters are still telling us that Bush is forcing Obama to spy on us. They're implying that Bush is secretly in control of the White House. They're implying that Obama so respected Bush that Obama will not change anything that Bush talked about. That's high praise for Bush and low praise for Obama.

    Is Obama unable to stop activities that are unconstitutional, according to the 4th Amendment?

    Is Obama unable to shut down NSA?

    Is Obama unable to stop all work on the NSA complex in Bluffdale?

    Is Obama unable to faithfully execute the duties of his office?

    Is Obama unable to defend the Constitution?

    Why would anyone think that Bush is still in control? What kind of thinking would lead to that conclusion? Is it possible that Obama is so derelict in performing the duties of his office that he allows a former President to stay in office and control the federal government? That would be the greatest indictment against Obama that could ever be levied.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    When you entrust your words and pictures to any electronic media you have the same privacy that you would have as standing in your front yard speaking into a bullhorn.

    If your neighbor has the right knowledge he may be reading your emails.

    Private businesses have been reading your emails from the beginning of emails. They also track anything you do on the internet. Your cell phone may be telling someone where you are and where you’ve been.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 27, 2013 9:22 a.m.

    "I am upset because a government program directs that my emails and phone calls be collected and stored somewhere."

    What you don't get is when you use an email system like gmail, yahoo, or any of the other systems out there... you are putting your private stuff into very public domains. Any real sense of "private" you have, you need to get and attitude adjustment on.

    If you use gmail, google scans every email you send for content, themes, and keeps state on what you write about. That data is then shared with advertisers.

    Bottom line... if you are sending something over a network, and unless you own or control that path that data is sent, that data is traversing public networks... and is exposed. Very little about your life is "private" if you use the net or have a cell phone.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 8:23 a.m.

    China, Russia, and other countries are reading your emails. Why shouldn't the US government?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 7:12 a.m.

    You guys just don't get it!

    This was a BUSH program.

    Am I mad and upset Obama didn't shut it down - YES.

    But the GOP in Congress for having a veto proof over-ride to keep it in place.
    [Yes - that is Utah's Senators Bennett, Hatch, and Reps. Bishop and Chaffetz]

    I blame Obama for not dis-assembling virtually everything the BUSH administration did during their 8 years of trampling the Constitution.

    I blame
    BUSH and every Republican since for the program in the 1st place.

  • Edgar Samaria, ID
    Aug. 27, 2013 5:34 a.m.

    It seems we have a serious paradox here in the United States. In the early and mid-70's the Church Committee, led by Idaho's Senator Frank Church, engaged in investigative hearings revealing abuse and domestic spying by the CIA, the US Army and the FBI. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) and Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) were inspired by the work of that committee and were intended as a "check and balance" on the activities of the government and the reining in of government spying. Notable citizens such as Bing Crosby and Paul Harvey criticized the committee's work as being treasonous, claiming we shouldn't be limiting the goverments ability to keep us safe. The death of a CIA station chief in Greece in 1975 added fuel to the fire of this argument that our intelligence gathering agencies needed to have greater freedom to keep us safe. The aftermath of 9/11 left our citizenry feeling vulerable and further restrictions on our freedom were implemented with the Patriot Act. And so here we are today arguing about the abuses of the agencies that are supposed to keep us safe and free. But what balance of both will we accept?