Wine advocates give Utah lowest marks

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  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 2:21 p.m.

    JSB said: I wouldn't mind liberalizing the liquor laws in Utah if the changes were also accompanied by much more severe penalties for alcohol abuse.

    Trouble is they are already excessive in that a hit and run is less of a fine and penalty than a DUI, this is why there has been an increase in hit and runs since the DUI's laws passed about every other safety law.

    The majority of drinkers are responsible or there would be millions of deaths a day, because that's how many folks are drinking at any given moment in this nation.

    I see cell phone users, driving like drunk drivers daily, and yet because it's about religious beliefs instead of actual safety they are allowed to continue to risk others lives.

    Drunks don't buy expensive wine, kids don't order wine thru the mail, and seeing drinks poured doesn't force children to become alcoholics.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 7:39 a.m.

    The cost of alcohol consumption is already too high in our country. Let's continue to let Utah do its own thing, and ignore the critics. The state already must absorb most of the cost of public damages that come from alcohol abuse, state run stores are one way that cost can be recouperated. It's time to stop worrying that we won't be approved by the state of California.

  • Jack Aurora, CO
    Aug. 26, 2013 9:50 p.m.

    It usually isn't the "raging alcoholics" who drive drunk, or impaired and don't think they are. My past experience as a DUI enforcement officer showed that while the occasional "raging alcoholic" was involved in a traffic fatality, it was more often the casual drinker who injured/killed another in a DUI. 4-5 beers or glasses of wine with dinner, and you are over the limit. You want wine with dinner? OK, but someone has to keep count of the number of drinks you have. Designated drivers and regulations on the sale and consumption of wines and liquors and beer are what keep folks alive and out of the emergency rooms.

  • joy Logan, UT
    Aug. 26, 2013 8:30 p.m.

    Who cares?

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Aug. 26, 2013 2:13 p.m.

    george- why do some people think everyone who has a drink does so to get drunk? I admit I have been drunk. Never have I driven drunk however, and the vast majority of times when I do drink, it's a glass of wine or a beer with dinner. The problem in this state is, youth don't learn how to drink responsibly. They are sheltered from it like it's the black death. Then, when they do try it, they are usually binge type drinkers. They treat alcohol like it's a party liquid instead of an adult beverage meant to be consumed responsibly by mature adults over 21. Don't believe me? Come to a party in my neighborhood, and I'll prove to you that adults can indeed have a few drinks while socializing together, and not get drunk. It happens. The truth shall set you free.

  • Cedarite Cedar City, UT
    Aug. 26, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    3grandslams: the wine lovers who have a glass of wine with dinner are not generally the raging alcoholics who drive drunk and kill people, attack children and all the other things you listed.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 26, 2013 7:27 a.m.

    Way to go Utah! For wine lovers you are low on the list. For families that suffer because they've lost loved ones to drunk drivers, you are number #1! For families divided, abused, divorced or bankrupt because of alcohol abuse, your are a godsend! For children who are ignored, abandoned or insulted because their parent or parents worship the wine bottle more than quality family time, you are a hero!

    Keep up the good work.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 25, 2013 5:05 p.m.

    Deseret News,
    There is no justification for your censoring this comment. It is pertinent and complies with all your rules. Please post it without prejudice.

    As well as restrictive liquor laws Utah also ranks among the states with the lowest citizens rights of freedom from religion.


  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    Aug. 25, 2013 2:51 p.m.

    A person can drink wine with out getting drunk. That I'd like to see. I doubt a Utah person knows that you don't have a drink and not get drunk. We are not talking about Lays potato chips.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 25, 2013 2:38 p.m.

    no legitimate health-safety issues.
    HAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh, please stop, you're killing me! My sides are aching!!

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Aug. 25, 2013 2:06 p.m.

    If a pro-alcohol group gives Utah low marks for the availability of alcohol, I'm going to take that as a compliment.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Aug. 25, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    Good for us. Who cares what they think.

  • ParkCityAggie Park City, Ut
    Aug. 24, 2013 9:02 p.m.

    As a State it's time to practice what we preach... free market principals and the reining in of the nanny-state mentality. Way too much government over-reach; our antiquated liquor laws are simply meant to be punitive to anyone who chooses to exercises their right to be an adult. There are no legitimate health-safety issues being regulated, our laws are purposely excessive for no good public purpose.

  • slcjimmy SLC, UT
    Aug. 24, 2013 3:06 p.m.

    Once again the backwards State of Utopia attempting to legislate morality & that moron Valentine leading the way! When will these people realize that not everyone in this State is Mormon or religious?... Never mind, stupid question.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Aug. 24, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    I wouldn't mind liberalizing the liquor laws in Utah if the changes were also accompanied by much more severe penalties for alcohol abuse. Drunk driving 1st offense: $10,000 and one year suspension of all driving privileges. 2nd offense: Permanent revocation of driving privileges. Other alcohol related offenses also much more severe. If a guy has a glass of wine, that isn't a problem but if the guy's judgement is impaired by his alcohol consumption, then he should not be in a situation in which he could risk the health, safety and security of others.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 24, 2013 2:06 p.m.

    So what? This is just another in a regular flow of "ratings" by various special interest groups that really have no merit or usefulness. Others include the gun control advocates, "poverty" groups, teachers unions, and the like.

    Utah has many fine qualities and we do not need to fret about what some hyper special interest group does not like about Utah. If they do not want to live here (and most of the critics do NOT live here!) then they are free to live somewhere else.

    And, as a wine drinker, it is pretty easy to get good wines in Utah, although it would be nice if they were sold in regular retail stores, instead of locked up in (inefficient and costly to the taxpayers) state run stores.