John Florez: Education for today's marketplace

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 27, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    An educated society does not:

    * have poverty with over half its people fed by government
    * have high unemployment
    * elect corrupt leaders
    * beg for benefits

    Education is over regulated, and needs to be simplified. There's the problem.

    Micro-managed teachers are not the blame.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 26, 2013 12:06 a.m.

    Howard has told us that he knows what the proper solution for education is. What qualifications does he give to show that his solution is better than the solutions that we already have? What evidence does he give that the Legislature has failed? What evidence does he give that school boards are educating our children?

    I don't have the answer, but I know that my children and my grandchildren have been denied a proper education, even though taxes have been levied for their education. What evidence does he have that his solution will give our children the education that taxpayers have paid for?

    "More of the same" is not a valid argument. What proof does he have, except his own opinion, that his solution will cure the problem?

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Aug. 24, 2013 11:33 p.m.

    I know I'm right Mike. The evidence is crystal clear, no "outside" expert needed.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 24, 2013 6:41 p.m.

    Howard may be right, but he may also be wrong. It seems that he has assumed that the problem is with the Legislature. How can he be certain?

    There are many schools in Utah that don't have direct Legislative or direct School Board oversight. Some of those schools do an outstanding job. Two of my grandsons have attended that type of school, with amazing results. Others of my grandchildren have been home-taught, also with amazing results.

    To assume that the problem lies with the Legislature would be an improper first step in defining the problem. The results of making an improper assumption would never cure the real problem.

    Let someone outside the system evaluate the "system". Everyone else would be biased.

  • Steve Cottrell Centerville, UT
    Aug. 24, 2013 5:09 p.m.

    Utah Schools will never run like a business. They will never get enough funding from the legislature to do that.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Aug. 24, 2013 3:05 p.m.

    To reject Mike's premise a bit, I wouldn't say the public school system is broken but is in trouble. Plenty of great teaching still goes on every day across the state. But I would say the direction of the legislature has put our public schools in peril. There is no denying this. In fact, I think that is what most legislatures want. They want to dismantle public education brick by brick to build something in their own image, perhaps vouchers, charters, on-line, who knows... I guess we can hope they know what they are doing. Until this all happens, things will get worse and worse in general, your child's school or teachers may vary of course. I would say teachers are as good as ever but their efforts are unappreciated, poorly compensated and many obstacles such as low morale, huge class sizes, endless "innovations" and standardized testing are taxing teachers and schools to the max. Schools are also getting more feminized by the minute, the male teacher in elementary almost endangered. The teacher turnover is high as new teachers are constantly recycled. But again I think this is what the legislature wants.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 24, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    Is the public school system broken because of the Legislature or is it broken because of those inside the school system?

    Until we are sure where the problem originates, we can't fix the system.

    How about asking the head of a successful school to evaluate what he would do differently if he were in charge of Utah's public school system? How about looking at something that works and works well before assigning blame?