Dan Liljenquist: We may be doing more harm than good in Egypt

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  • Henderson Orem, UT
    Aug. 23, 2013 10:54 a.m.

    Why should we be doing anything to Egypt?

    Are we 100 percent employed?

    Does everyone here have enough food to eat?

    Do we need any infrastructure upgrades or education spending?

    So why is Egypt entitled to one penny of our hard earned taxes?

    If Egypt needs "foreign aid" see that it gets it the way we do... WORK!

    Get your economy going, and WORK.

    Stop depending on foreigners to bail you out attempting to buy off friends. If your country is a mess then fix it... With your own hard work and money.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 23, 2013 1:38 a.m.

    Re Noodlekaboodle Re Patriot

    Please do a google search on what was our number one export last year.

    You will find the answer to be Gasoline, Aviation fuel, and Diesel fuel.

    Could this some how be the major reason for the price of fuel here in the United States?

    I submit to you folks that the amount of oil we produce has very little to do with the price of gasoline at the pump here in the United States.

    Gasoline will flow to which ever country will pay the most $$$ for this product.

    Of the oil that is imported into the United States what percentage of it comes from the middle east? Also which three countries are our largest source of imported oil? Hint they are not in the middle east.

    The answer is important to our energy and political discussions.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 4:55 p.m.

    What you want isn't possible. Did you know that more oil was produced than consumed in the USA last year? So why aren't we energy independent? Well, that's because the rights to oil in America are controlled by large multinational corporations like BP and Chevron, who sell the oil to the highest bidder instead of keeping it in country. The only way to do what you want is a government takeover of all oil reserves in America, the same way that things are done in Venezuela, Russia and Mexico. Considering what you've said in previous posts i'm assuming that you would be against a socialist take over of the US oil production system. So, if we can't take the system over what's your solution? Because if China, Europe or South America will pay higher prices for oil it's going over there, no matter how much we produce. The product goes to the person willing to pay the most $$$, that's how the capitalist system you tout so much works. Right?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 3:12 p.m.

    What to do with Egypt? Hmmm. Hey here's an idea - develop our own oil here at home and become oil independent. Egypt and the rest of middle east can then burn itself up if that is what they choose to do. Oh wait - Barack tells us we are at max capacity here at home? Really? Check out all the Obama imposed restrictions on oil production on PUBLIC lands including off shore and you will quickly see we are just scratching the surface of oil production. Yes Barack lied again. Yes yes we all want to find an alternative to oil and that is something we obviously invest in but what we DON'T do is shut down and restrict oil development on PUBLIC lands until we reach that wonderful state of alternative energy...which technologically may be 20 years away still.

    What is needed SOOO badly is a practical leader instead of a clueless demagogue in the White House. No one to blame but the American people for voting this "small minded tin can" in for another 4 years.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 11:37 a.m.

    Re: chemimagineer

    Please tell me who was the CBS correspondent who said "After walking thru all the protest camps he saw only ten bodies"?
    Also what is your source that 75 Christian churches have been burned?

    I would like to know the sources of these two comments

  • The Solution Las Cruces, NM
    Aug. 22, 2013 11:18 a.m.

    I think "we" the US had very little to do with the civic unrest that more than half the Egyptian population had for Morsi and the Islamic Brotherhood. Almost the entire country was united against Hosni Mubarak when they ousted him, but they did not have a plan for when he was gone. So the Brotherhood decided to take advantage of the situation by pushing the Morsi campaign, which for all intents and purposes was the only campaign in town. About a year later, more than half the nation realized that they replaced a tyrant with a new tyrant and his entire tyranical organization, and they had a second revolt, which was mostly peaceful. Then the military lead a "peaceful" coup to save the people from civil war and violence, which looked promising, until all the muslims in the country protested--which lead to violence dominated by the military, and could quickly escalate into a Syria-like situation. How much the US was involved is unknown at this time, but it appears that a violent conclusion was inevitable.

  • redshirt007 tranquility base, 00
    Aug. 22, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    Please replace the word "Egypt" with "Iraq" or "Afghanistan" and the read the article.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    That sound you hear is my brain sloshing. Astounded, I find myself agreeing with Dan.Our Mideast foreign policy needs a good dose of principle and compassion for both sides. We did stuff in the Cold War that was downright shameful and terribly counterproductive for ourselves. Let's admit it and stop bouncing the rubble with "shock and awe."

  • chemimagineer Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 10:13 a.m.

    I beg to differ on the body counts. You can listen to John Fredericks YOU-Tube radio broadcast recording of the report. A CBS correspondent in Egypt, after walking through all the protest camps last week said he only found 10 bodies...after the pro-Morsi group claimed 2200. The goal is to whip up international sentiment against the new Moderate Muslim regime.

    As to Dan's article above, I want to thank him for putting together a very well thought out piece on a very dire situation in Egypt. It has ramifications for the whole world. Handing power to the Muslim Brotherhood, even after knowing that is who Morsi & crew were, was unbelievable. They did what all Jihadists do. Now we have 73 Christian churches burned and the first time for some congregations to not be able to meet in 1600 years. And who is doing it? The Muslim Brotherhood and pro-Morsi folks. Thanks again Dan for your efforts. I may not agree with all you said, I do agree that it is time to start using our brains and the tools we have at our disposal to "do the right thing".

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    Yes I agree that our policies in the middle east need to be reevaluated.

    Is it possible that somehow we had a hand in the downfall of the Morsi government?

    Is it possible that after the "coup" (yes I know I should not use that term because it is politically incorrect currently) that things got out of control with the military? Who ever waa pulling the marionette strings of the puppet were shocked with the puppet took a life of its own and refused their controls.

    Our policies usually follow Israeli policy in the middle east. It is my opinion that Israel was quite confortable with the military running Egypt before the election. They could count on them to have a peaceful border. Also Egypt participated in the blockade of Gaza.

    Could it be that Israel felt that the Morsi government would be less friendly to them than the previous military government? It would be advantageous to them for Egypt to return to a secular military rather than a fundamental Islamic government.

    The people spoke but we choose not to listen because it did not suit our agenda.

  • DougB Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    Perhaps if Orrin Hatch decides to keep previous promises to retire and spend time with family and grandkids, we could still elect Liljenquist in a special election to serve out the rest of his Senate term. We need statesmen like Liljenquist in Congress. Hatch has had decades to study these things out and -- quite frankly -- has never shown much interest in them other than to arrogantly support the 'party line' on these 'interventions' which, increasingly, has been proven to be patently false and severely misguided.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Aug. 22, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    I was talking with an Egyptian today. He says the death toll is ten times higher than what we have been told. I confirmed with him something I heard on BBC news. His opinion is that Sisi, wants to be a bigshot.

    European diplomats were close to coming up with a compromise with the Moslem Brotherhood then the army jumped in. Some people, myself included, think that Sisi didn't want a compromise to be reached. He wanted to jump in and 'save' the country, so that when the dusty has settled, he can stay in like Mubarak.

    Mubarak is getting released from prison. Perhaps Sisi is thinking, "Sending old corrupt military dictators to jail isn't too good of a trend (for me)."

    We need to cut aid to Egypt (maybe food aid, they will need it). What is happening now is that Al Qaeda is probably having a big fund-raising drive which is as good as anything since before 911. We may find that in a couple of years, that Al Qaeda, has had a surprising resurgence.

    Morality helps us avoid things that seemed like good ideas at the time but were really dumb ideas.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    We need to ignore Egypt and figure out a way to defund the healthcare plan. More uninsured Americans will only lead to good things.