NJ governor to sign ban on gay conversion therapy

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  • John20000 Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 23, 2013 4:43 p.m.

    As far as I can tell, the only categories God cares about to describe His children are (1) male and female, and (2) repentant and unrepentant. He doesn't categorize His children as gay and straight. I wonder why we feel so strongly about setting up so many categories of human beings. Why all the borders? Individuals will be judged, not groupings.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 8:36 a.m.

    I knew my sexual orientation -- straight -- when I was still in grade school. I didn't know what the attraction meant at the time, but I knew to which gender it was directed. In talking with gay friends, I heard that a lot of them had the same experience.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    Some of you really need to figure out that sexual orientation is who one is attracted to. It doesn't require the person to actually be engaging in sex. Anyone in middle school who has a crush pretty much knows what orientation they are.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 7:25 p.m.

    Maybe some men are born attracted to blonde women. Maybe they aren't. Maybe gays are born with an attraction, maybe not. I don't really know.

    What I do know:

    We didn't design ourselves. God did.
    We can change, control, and master what we allow into our minds.
    We all make mistakes of some kind or another.
    We can be forgiven for our mistakes.
    We can heal through the atonement and be happy again.

    Perhaps we're born with attractions, but we're not born without the ability to decide what we do with them. It would be far more accurate to say "Attraction is not a sin". It isn't. But what we do with attraction, both mentally and physically, those are choices. And choices are either right or wrong and we will be judged for them. I love God and don't want to fail Him. I want to return to Him. I want to have eternal joy. I don't want to be found in sin. At some point we must reconcile what we want in eternity. I want my eternal family and to be happy.

    I made my choice. I'm happy I did.

  • Contrariusier mid-state, TN
    Aug. 20, 2013 2:27 p.m.

    @There You Go Again --

    "It's not a lie...if YOU believe it."

    Does Chris believe it? And if he does believe his claims, why does he refuse to back them up?

    The fact is that "therapy" successes claimed by ex-gay "researchers" (I use the term very loosely) are often measured by ridiculous benchmarks like "no homosexual relations within the past year".

    Well, gee -- we don't say that priests are "cured" of heterosexuality if they remain celibate for a year, do we?

    I'd love to see if Chris can actually come up with anything at all to back up his bold claims. But I won't be surprised if he doesn't.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Aug. 19, 2013 10:06 p.m.

    "...Making a claim doesn't make it true...".

    Not so...

    It's not a lie...if YOU believe it.
    George Constanza

  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    Aug. 19, 2013 7:56 p.m.

    @Chris B --

    "Science has proven that some people have been cured through this."

    State your sources. Making a claim doesn't make it true.

  • wYo8 Rock Springs, WY
    Aug. 19, 2013 6:27 p.m.

    one more reason to not vote for him. Just hope Ben Carson decides to run.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Aug. 19, 2013 6:12 p.m.

    Wow! Christie did something that is both rational and correct. Good for him!

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Aug. 19, 2013 2:18 p.m.

    Christie 2016

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Aug. 19, 2013 1:57 p.m.


    There is proven harm to some.

    There are also proven examples where people wanted this help, received this help, and were able to change the parts of them they wanted to change. There are some very uplifting and inspirational stories of people changing through reparative therapy.

    It's just important we keep this resource open to people who want it. Adults can still receive this help.

    I also would still be curious the success rates of younger people vs. older people if anyone has facts?

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    Aug. 19, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    @ Chris B: No, actually, science does not support the idea that people have successfully changed their sexual orientation. As a matter of fact, individuals who have been involved in the past in promoting conversion therapy are now on the record as saying it is not successful.

    While it is true that some homosexual individuals participate fully in heterosexual relationships while having no homosexual conduct, this happens with or without conversion therapy.

    And while it is true some of these individuals have lives of contentment, the same level of contentment can be found in any relationship where one partner is denying an aspect of their identity - whether that aspect is religion, career expectations, denying a part of their culture, or anything else.

    Additionally, there is a proven harm associated with conversion therapy which is why this bill was signed into law.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 19, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    Science has proven that some people have been cured through this.

    If they want help and their parents support them changing, this can be a great resource.

    If they don't wish to change at the moment, it brings up interesting questions.

    If a child didn't want to see any doctor, what rights do they have.

    I'd also be curious if success rates are better for younger or older people?

    Is there a better chance of success if the patient is younger? This is often the case in the medical world and I'm curious if this holds true here?

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 19, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    @ Mountanman: You are entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts.

    Puberty on average starts between 10 and 12. During this time you begin to experience sexual attraction. Ten and twelve year olds know the genders of those they are attracted to. So yes, you would know at those ages if you are homosexual.

    There is evidence that many homosexual children know before age 10 that they are homosexual - just as heterosexual children know they are heterosexual.

    Gay conversion therapy is harmful. Protecting citizens from harm is a major responsibility of government. NJ did good by outlawing this.

  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    Aug. 19, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    @Mountanman --

    "Contrarius. Did you know whether you were gay or not at 12 or 14? Neither does anyone else."

    Some kids know that they're gay before they even hit their teens. Welcome to the real world.

    @Mark B --

    "if others around there feel this way, there showed be a huge influx of con men, all trying to get local kids to cut their grass, then stiffing them on payment."

    Didn't I read somewhere that Utah has the highest rate of con games in the nation? I'm not sure about that, but iirc somebody around here said that. I'll see if I can look it up later...

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Aug. 19, 2013 11:32 a.m.

    So, is M-man now saying that scams are OK because people don't HAVE to participate? Man, if others around there feel this way, there showed be a huge influx of con men, all trying to get local kids to cut their grass, then stiffing them on payment.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 19, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    Contrarius. Did you know whether you were gay or not at 12 or 14? Neither does anyone else.

  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    Aug. 19, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    @Mountanman --

    "Whether this therapy is a scam or not, are gay people ever forced to take this therapy? Of course not! "

    Of course they ARE. Try READING that article before you pontificate. We're talking, in large part, about MINORS being forced into therapy.

    @Ophelia --

    I thank you again for your courage in stepping forward and standing up for the many minors who have been damaged by this scam.

  • Ophelia Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 19, 2013 9:39 a.m.

    My dear, gay son went through the "conversion" process for almost two years. He was told there was an 80% chance of change if he just had enough faith. I shudder to think how blindly obedient I was. I strongly encouraged him to continue, despite his protests. He told me the only reason he went to therapy was because he loved me.

    Eight years later, I declare my abhorrence for conversion therapy. I was wrong to insist he try to change. It is psychological malpractice and hurts -- in some cases destroys -- young lives. I am ecstatic that Chris Christie has taken this position. He is Roman Catholic. I am active Mormon. I completely agree with him. People are born gay, and homosexuality is not a sin.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 19, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    Whether this therapy is a scam or not, are gay people ever forced to take this therapy? Of course not! This is nothing more than shameless political posturing by a RINO. A law that is useless, meaningless and a waste of time.

  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    Aug. 19, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    @ute alumni --

    "doesn't jersey have more important things to worry about?"

    What can be more important than child abuse and civil rights? Without civil rights we don't even have a society worth worrying about.

    For many years, Exodus International was the leading organization in "conversion therapy". The problem? Over those years, quite a few of their founders and directors admitted they were still gay, some of them publicly apologizing for their former roles in the organization. Recently, the group shut down altogether.

    Former Exodus President Alan Chambers now states: "I am sorry for the pain and hurt many of you have experienced. I am sorry that some of you spent years working through the shame and guilt you felt when your attractions didn't change. I am sorry we promoted sexual orientation change efforts and reparative theories about sexual orientation that stigmatized parents."

    He further said: "For quite some time we've been imprisoned in a worldview that's neither honoring toward our fellow human beings, nor biblical."

    "Gay conversion therapy" is a scam that victimizes some of our most vulnerable citizens. It NEEDS to be outlawed.

  • ute alumni paradise, UT
    Aug. 19, 2013 8:18 a.m.

    chrissy loves the limelight. doesn't jersey have more important things to worry about? like a citizenry that leaves there as soon as possible because their taxes are out of sight. i know i lived there.

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    Aug. 19, 2013 7:36 a.m.

    Evolution is a slow process but this is still good news.