Death toll from Egypt violence rises to 638

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  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Aug. 17, 2013 4:10 p.m.

    While liberals were weeping with joy over the 'Arab Spring' and the Muslim Brotherhood, want to know who spoke out about forecoming violence and unrest in Egypt?

    Glenn Beck.

    Yes, that Glenn Beck.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Aug. 17, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    'Scientist' -

    If you want nothing to do with religion....

    then why do you talk about it incessantly?


  • morganh Orem, Utah
    Aug. 16, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    I am very saddened at the violence happening in Egypt. We should have seen this coming when the Muslim Brotherhood (a known terrorist organization)got elected. Erick Stackelbeck wrote a Book titled "The Brotherhood, America's Next Greatest Enemy". In an excerpt from his book he interviews Tariq Ramadan the grandson of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood. This same Tariq Ramadan was denied a visa to the U.S. by Pres. Bush under the Patriot Act due to his affiliations with this terrorist group. Pres. Barack Obama instructed Hillary Clinton to take him off that list in 2010. Pres. Obama also had Sec. of State Kerry give the Muslim Brotherhood $500 million in economic aid. When it comes to the Middle East and foreign policy our President will do things which undermine our security at home and abroad.

  • Res Novae Ashburn, VA
    Aug. 16, 2013 3:59 a.m.

    @The Scientist,

    The proximate cause of the violence in Egypt is a political power struggle. The proximate cause of Mountain Meadows was fear and panic; the Fancher party wasn't killed in a fight over religious dogma. Blaming religion for either event simply because one side happens to be religious is a reductionist, myopic analysis which completely ignores key facts in each situation.

    Most violence between groups is the result of greed or power. Religion, like nationalism, race, tribalism, and political ideology, is merely an instrument used to delegitimize the opposition and rationalize the use of violence in furtherance of nakedly secular objectives. Get rid of religion and people will still find reasons to become fanatical enough to do violence. There's certainly enough evidence that atheists are capable of the fanaticism inherent in the inhumane violence you decry, from the French Revolution to the Killing Fields in Cambodia.

  • The Scientist Provo, UT
    Aug. 15, 2013 5:19 p.m.

    Ted wrote:

    "You can't lump 'all' religions together with groups like the Muslim Brotherhood...Their mentality is 'You believe the same as me' or its 'Off with your head.'"

    I am reminded of some LDS doctrines:

    The Mormons not only insist that the Mormon Church "will have worldwide jurisdiction in political realms when the Lord has made a full end of all nations (D&C 87:6), but also that those who do not obey the Mormon leaders "shall be cut off from among the people" (D&C 1:14).

    The problem with religion is not so much in the behavior of MOST of the people most of the time; it is with the doctrines that sit like latent tsunamis that erupt into destruction - usually of the non-believers.

    Mountain Meadows should be a reminder to all that even the most seemingly peaceful people can erupt into inhumane violence over religious dogma.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 15, 2013 4:22 p.m.

    Why is it that everywhere the Muslim Brotherhood gains control... Death and misery seams to follow?

  • Ted Saint George, UT
    Aug. 15, 2013 4:00 p.m.

    @The Scientist- this religious war you speak of has being going on since people have lived in that part of the world. You can't lump "all" religions together with groups like the Muslim Brotherhood as say people are leaving because of violence in the Middle East. Many of us are just fine in practicing our faith and strive to get along with others regardless of what they believe in. Not so in that part of the world. Their mentality is "You believe the same as me" or its "Off with your head". They are also burning down all the Christian churches in their path too. These folks are crazy and I don't think there is anything that will ever change that. Ever.

  • The Scientist Provo, UT
    Aug. 15, 2013 2:30 p.m.


    I agree.

    This is a religious war... again. Is it any wonder people are leaving religion?

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Aug. 15, 2013 1:28 p.m.

    I doubt a government led by the Muslim Brotherhood is ever going to be democratic and would make as it did the economy of Egypt go from bad to worse. I also doubt Morsi had a fair election. The question is what do we want? We want a secular government. If they would allow an open free enterprise government with property rights and rule of law and a reasonable bureaucracy things would improve a lot.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Aug. 15, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    I understand that various diplomats from the BBC news that various diplomats had been able to work out a compromise between the Moslem Brotherhood and the government, so the army has made a huge mistake. What in the world were they thinking?

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2013 11:25 a.m.

    I thought we needed to support democratically elected governments? Why are we supporting a "Military Junta"?

    Since it is all borrowed money we give away as foreign aid in the middle east, why don't we cut all foreign aid in the middle east? Yes than means Egypt and Israel also.

    It is not really to swift to borrow money to give it away. Yes those two countries receive a lot of military supplies but in reality it is simply a welfare system for our military/industrial complex. Corporate welfare maybe?