President Barack Obama's 'grand bargain'

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  • Tom in MS Madison, MS
    Aug. 16, 2013 7:41 p.m.

    I say no to a tax increase, just like the Congressional Republicans. Almost everything Obama puts forward has revenues tied to it. I don't blame them a bit for saying no.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    re: high school fan

    My portfolio has finally returned to 2007 levels. Other than that, I am no better or worse than I was 4 yrs ago.

    Any change would because of the choices I have made.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 1:24 p.m.

    to patriot

    You can say the exact same about Boehener, McConnell, Cruz, Ryan, & McCain being whiney belligerent obstructionists pandering to their base while appearing on Fox News Sunday or Lou Dobbs.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 10:27 p.m.

    @Tyler D "'s hard to get a clear picture in real time."

    Not that hard. You just have to pay attention.

    For example --

    Congress rejects the DREAM act, but Obama institutes most of it by executive order.
    Obama refuses to cut off aid to Egypt, although the law says it must end when there is a coup.
    The law prohibits assassination of American citizens, but Obama did it anyway.
    The law prohibits using the IRS to persecute political enemies, but Obama targets tea party groups.
    The law does not empower the IRS to exact ACA fines in states without exchanges, but they will anyway.
    Obama moved bin Laden records from military custody to CIA custody in order to avoid FOIA requests.
    Obama made recess appointments when Congress was not in recess.
    Obama's abortifacient mandate violates the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.
    The ACA provides a clear start date for the employer mandate, but Obama delays it for a year.

    These are the specific reasons why I'm concerned about Obama's execution of the laws. How can anyone bargain with him, when they know he'll just ignore the parts of the law he doesn't agree with?

  • Mickey Kovars Tampa, FL
    Aug. 10, 2013 11:47 a.m.

    No one will ever convince Obama that government is not the way to create jobs, regardless of the evidence, but even when he has the money to create jobs -- i.e. the stimulus -- he doesn't spend it effectively. If a "grand bargain" were to put a bunch of new money into government hands for the purpose of job creation, what assurance would we have that the spending would be any more effective than with the stimulus? None, and we'd just have even more debt. There is no worthwhile grand bargain with Obama.

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 7:21 a.m.

    Sorry Louie but mike r is absolutely correct. We all need to ask ourselves this simple question, is each of us better off today than we were four years ago and the answer is no. I am quite sure we are still lounging on hope and change.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    Aug. 10, 2013 12:53 a.m.

    "We hope this predictable exchange is just the opening salvo in what eventually will become a genuine effort toward compromise."

    Don't hold your breath.

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 7:06 p.m.

    Mike R
    Your statement is not based on facts.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 4:47 p.m.

    Grand Bargain. HAH!!! First of all Barack's idea of a bargain is to accept HIS ideology, HIS bill, HIS plan with NO objections. Somehow that constitutes a bargain in a demagogues mind. More borrowed money is hardly GRAND either to add to our already 17 trillion Obama debt. Barack's thinking is so narrow, so predictable, so restricted you can almost predict the words before he speaks them. Let the man return to the Letterman show or The View or some other Hollywood hangout where he can appeal to "his" people....the flaky , the ignorant and the flat out dumb. Honestly, I think most people including many liberals just ignore this guy anymore. What a sad era for America.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 9, 2013 2:55 p.m.

    As far as the Democrats having the majority of the "popular vote" goes, that is total nonsense, unless each princinct in each State were to be listed. The Democrats have used their power to change boundaries at least as often as have the Republicans. Stating that the total votes cast somehow makes the Democrat statement true is false and misleading. We don't have a "national" election for Representatives. Each State is authorized to use whatever rules it deems necessary to allow each citizen of that State to have an equal voice in electing a member of the House.

    The President has no legislative authority. Period. He cannot suggest legislation. He CAN state the conditions that he feels Congress should address, but he has absolutely no authority to legislate. The LEGISLATIVE power is solely the power of Congress. The Executive Branch is not part of the Legislative Branch. Obama has no more "authoritity" to legislate than does any other citizen.

    The citizens of the United States pay all taxes, either directly or indirectly. Corporations do not pay taxes. Customers of corporations pay all taxes levied by the government. Foolish people demand that government tax corporations.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 1:38 p.m.

    BO has offered nothing solid, just an idea. In the past when he has done this and repubs have compromised, he has later backed out of his deal and the lamestream media blamed the repubs. Once when he did reach a deal, reid and schumer sabotaged it in the senate

    BO is failing on his own, he needs no repub efforts there.
    Obamacare failed to bring costs down or cover everyone. It failed to ensure access to healthcare. It failed to gain popular support.

    Dudd-frank failed to end too-big-to-fail

    The porkulus failed to keep unemployment under 8% and failed to revitalize the economy.

    everything he has strongarmed through has been a failure; repubs are just trying to keep him from failing even more, and further damaging us by his policies.

    FDR’s stimuli during the great depression extended it, they did not end it. All BO’s porkulus did was drive us deeper in debt.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Aug. 9, 2013 1:23 p.m.

    @Nate – “I believe -- along with you -- that it is a foolish president who makes himself the head negotiator for new legislation”

    And yet Republicans are lightening quick to jump all over him when they shout for “leadership” on getting something negotiated (Mitch McConnell is notorious!).

    Congress looks like little more than a day care center. When things are going the “toddler’s” way (at least the ones in charge), they demand to be left alone. But the minute a toy gets broken or a knee skinned, they scream for a Lyndon Johnson-type daddy to come and provide spankings as needed.

    To your last point, it will be interesting at some point in the future to read a first rate biography on the Obama presidency. With all the hyperbolic windbags spinning the facts, it’s hard to get a clear picture in real time.

    Of course finding a first biography might prove difficult as what we’re likely to get are some fawning books written by sycophants and a whole slew of stuff written by the Rottweilers on the Right.

    Maybe David McCullough will still be alive…

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 12:21 p.m.

    @Mike Richards

    The president does have a constitutional duty with regard to the legislative activities of Congress.

    "He shall from time to time...recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient...." (Article II, Section 3)

    I believe -- along with you -- that it is a foolish president who makes himself the head negotiator for new legislation, and that presidents from both parties step over lines of separation when they do so.

    My beef with Obama is that he disregards another clause in the same section: "He shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed...."

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 11:20 a.m.

    I have never heard of any Republicans who oppose tax cuts for corporations. Stimulus bills are not only not helpful to make jobs, but make the economy worse because the funds they use come from the private sector, the bureaucracy and corruption take their share, and the legislators and bureaucrats decide where the money goes for which they do not have the expertise.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    Re: "Perhaps, for a change, you should consider that you were mistaken . . . ."

    Or, maybe liberals could take a step back from their inexplicably large egos, and consider the same thing.

    When something is tried, not just once, but time and time again, and produces, not the slightest evidence that it will ever work, it's lunacy to suggest the only reason it didn't is that we were wrong not to abandon all reason and go all-in on the lunacy.Particularly when the opposition's plan has worked, time and time again.

    EVERY time it's been used.

    Callow true-believing liberals, though they'll never accept proper principles of macroeconomics, would do well to study up on that famous quote on insanity attributed to Dr. Einstein.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    Re: "Republicans are still committed to making the President fail no matter what he proposes."

    Oh, the President needs no help from Republicans to fail. His policies, his radical leftist regime, and his strong-arm, Chicago-style political tactics will assure that, no matter what Republicans do.

    That Republicans are attempting to obstruct the more destructive of the President's policies is a mark in their favor, and will be rewarded, come the 2014 elections. It's a badge of honor and should be worn conspicuously by those with the guts to stand up to the most anti-American president in America's history.

  • Lightbearer Brigham City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    From the article: "The weakness in the president's plan is his insistence that government spending can create jobs. It would do so only by removing money from the economy, and generally such plans cost so much they negate any gains. Previous stimulus spending initiatives ought to be proof enough of this."

    Perhaps, for a change, you should consider that you were mistaken, that what was proven is that the stimulus was too small, and that another point of view is the correct one. That of Paul Krugman, for example, who wrote about the stimulus package in 2009: "[I]t falls well short of what's needed" and "The stimulus bill looks helpful but inadequate," and later, in 2011, "It just wasn't big enough to do the job."

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    Mike Richards:

    "It's duty is to represent the people" in reference to the House of Representatives. Think about that statement. I know you believe in the intent of the Constitution but have you ever thought about how political redistricting of congressional districts has essentially disenfranchised the majority of Americans. More votes were cast for democrats than republicans in the congressional races but republicans control the house, but only through political manipulation. If Congress truly represented the "will of the People" we would not be having this continual hateful, unproductive, and spiteful confrontations. Please be honest. It should be no secret the republicans really do hot have the mandate they think they have.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Aug. 9, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    A Grand Bargain will never happen as long as one party continues to let the perfect be the enemy of the good (e.g., all R candidates rejecting out of hand $10 in cuts for every $1 in tax increase).

    @ Roland Kayser

    Well said! The marching orders on the Right are to make this president fail by any means necessary, even if it means turning us into Greece.

    @Mike Richards – “When he finally learns what his job is, maybe he can then learn to do his job.”

    You just gotta love the brass on the Right for always beating up a guy for doing the exactly what every other president in the modern era has done.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    With the help of the liberal press, Obama has become the new "Teflon" president where nothing bad seems to stick to him. His policies are ruining this country, yet he somehow is successful in puting much of the blame for the consequences on the Republicans who have not really stopped him at anything, just slowed him down a bit.

    Every single "compromise" with congress just leads to higher taxes and more government spending. Government continues to "Party On" with the taxpayer picking up the tab.

    Just like a teenager who thinks their dad is the "party of NO" because they ask all the wrong questions (e.g. Can I stay out all night? Can I drop out of school? Can I go on a road trip with all my friends?), Obama needs to ask different questions if he wants a YES answer.

    Unfortunately, that is not in his far-left progressive nature.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 9, 2013 8:42 a.m.


    Normally I don't complete disagree with you, but this time I do.

    There are three branches of government, each serving a specific function and none able, by itself, to handle all duties of the federal government.

    Congress is the legislative branch of government. No other branch has authority to legislate. The House represents the people. As nearly as possible, each citizen has equal access to a member of the House. The House originates all revenue bills because the people pay those taxes. The Senate represents the States. Each State is equally represented.

    The President represents the States to the world. He signs treaties, which the States ratify through their Senators. He has no legislative authority, but he has the duty to enforce all laws passed by Congress (which have not been found unconstitutional by the Court).

    The people wanted Republicans to tax them. They elected a Republican House. The people wanted Democrats to represent their States. They elected a Democrat Senate.

    The House is not part of the Executive Branch. It has no obligation to accept anything that the President suggests. It's duty is to represent the people, not to represent the President.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 9, 2013 8:14 a.m.

    @ Roland Kayser. Lets be honest! The Republicans have not stopped Obama in anything. Obamcare is now the law, same sex marriage legal in many states, the DOMA has been struck down, higher taxes on the "rich", doubled the number of food stamp recipients, huge stimulus and bailouts, NSA running rampant, no accountability and only stonewalling on IRS, Benghazi and A.P. scandals, massive expansion of the federal government and on and on it goes. Obama's agendas have not been stopped by Republicans. The debate should be how have Obama's failed agendas harmed America, not STILL blaming Republicans. Its certainly not Obama who has failed, its the Republicans who have not stopped him in anything! Obama has successfully "fundamentally transformed America" and still blames everyone else because our nation is declining in every way a nation can decline.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 8:05 a.m.

    The photo says it all. DUH!

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 9, 2013 12:13 a.m.

    Obama is not a member of the House. All revenue bills originate in the House. His job is to see that all the laws passed by Congress are faithfully executed. When he finally learns what his job is, maybe he can then learn to do his job.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 9, 2013 12:08 a.m.

    Republicans are still committed to making the President fail no matter what he proposes. There will be no deal. Not even if he says he agrees with all their demands and wants to aquiesse. They'll still say NO.