Michael Gerson: GOP must decide whether immigrants are threats or advantages

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  • Fact Check Pleasant Grove, UT
    July 31, 2013 11:58 p.m.


    Such a wide array of sources, and no quotes? How do we know you're not just making this up?

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2013 11:13 p.m.

    The headline for Michael Gerson's piece reads, "GOP must decide whether immigrants are threats or advantages".

    Whenever you read something about the "immigration" debate that doesn't include the word "illegal", you can be assured it is dishonest.

    The overwhelming issue with regards to the matter of immigration reform has to do with the decades-old problem of rampant **illegal** immigration.

    The fact that there are other aspects of immigration policy that could also benefit from a thorough examination and overhaul is a smoke screen behind which people who care little about the problem of **illegal** immigration.

    Who, more likely, are only too happy to see a continuation of the loose application of even current laws that have allowed, if not encouraged, the ridiculous levels of **illegal** immigration that has plagued the country for far too long.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2013 5:42 p.m.

    "Dragline" Most conservatives WANT employers to be busted. The big argument you hear (at least on the national level)is to build all sorts of fences, and spend billions on enforcement that may (or likely may not) ever occur. These arguments are largely fueled by RINO's who are raking in BIG campaign bribes......er "donations" from illegal/unethical businesspersons who employ illegal trespassers.

    Unethical businesspersons (including high-tech employers)have discovered its MUCH cheaper to make a "donation" to their representatives than actually pay a decent wage.

    Yes, you're absolutely right, it is MUCH cheaper to enforce immigration laws via employers than trying to track down all the illegal employees.

    All ICE would have to do is raid a few work sites and actually arrest a few employers. Then publicize the raids as much as possible.
    Illegal immigration would probably be stopped somewhere between 80-90%.

    BTW - amnesty is included in the Senate bill for employers also. Not that any of them have ever had much to be concerned about.

    Its especially disheartening to hear a democratic President talk about jobs for illegal trespassers. I had always thought the democratic party worked for the betterment of working Americans.

  • Henderson Orem, UT
    July 31, 2013 5:26 p.m.

    From the rhetoric I've seen online, on the news, and through the newspaper, the GOP has already made up its mind that immigrants are a threat. Unless foxnews, am radio, and conservative websites aren't considered mouthpieces of the GOP.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 31, 2013 4:37 p.m.

    I guess the ones that join gangs and kill people are sort of threats - the rest are ok. From the Democrat party prospective - ALL immigrants are important regardless of the crime they bring because they are votes in the elections for the Democrats. Of course I'm talking bout the ones sneaking across the border from Mexico.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 31, 2013 3:42 p.m.

    Salt Lake City, UT
    What I don't get is why are we rewarding law breakers with amnesty?



    Why are those greedy businessmen exploiting cheap undocumented labor to expand their bottomline?

    Why are THEY rewarding law breakers?

  • Dragline Oream, UT
    July 31, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    This issue draws so many comments about the illegality involved in the immigration without confronting those who really made the illegal money on the backs of illegal immigrants--the employers.

    We criticize those who took jobs in the U.S. but not the contractors, farmers, and maid services who have, and continue to, take advantage of this subclass of society. They came here at the request of employers to build our cities, farms, and highways and yet we decry them as outlaws.

    If we are going to deport, tax, and harass everyone equally, maybe we should consider those employers who made bank and not those who walked the banks of the Rio Grande looking for a better way of life. It's kind of like the Utah pioneers who illegally moved to Mexican territory to avoid persecution and find a better way of life. Yeah, kinda like that.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 31, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    Why does the headline infer that ALL immigrants are here illegally? Why?

    don’t try explaining the difference to dems, they appear incapable of understanding it.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2013 1:12 p.m.

    Like many other amnesty advocates the author fails to make the distinction between "legal" or "illegal" immigrants.

    Kind of like when a store says "we want ALL shoppers, just not the shoplifters". That seems to be their policy, WHY can't it be ours?

    Americans are getting quite tired of excuses. Why write a "new" law? Why not just enforce the existing law? Unless, of course the amnesty advocates want to enable lawbreaking, and make excuses for it!

    The ONLY thing wrong with the existing law is that it doesn't get enforced. With Congress' approval rating at an all time low, WHY should we believe anything they tell us with regards to border enforcement or immigration enforcement in general?

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    July 31, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    The GOP is not against immigrants.

    The are against ILLEGAL immigration.

    Until the media and the left can be honest we can never have any productive dialog about this subject.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    What I don't get is why are we rewarding law breakers with amnesty? There are 4 million who are on our immigration roles who are seeking a better life in the USA who have followed the law and some of those people have been waiting for 30 years! Why are we telling these people to be patient while we are rewarding law breakers? This is not because democrats are compassionate, its because the democrats see them as future voters! We have 20 million unemployed who don't have jobs that want to work, why are they being marginalized for cheaper labor? So much for American exceptionalism!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    "It's hard to figure what King said that was so offensive."

    He asserted that most illegal immigrants were drug runners...

    "they like the entitlements to much. "

    Okay here's a tip, if you actually want to win the Hispanic vote, don't think of them as lazy moochers, particularly when a lot of them make low wages doing jobs white Americans don't seem to apply for (just as Georgian orchards).

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    July 31, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    Re: "GOP must decide . . . ."

    Why? It's a false choice, offered by cynical political spinmeisters.

    There's no good reason to lump all immigration together, legal and illegal, and then suggest it's an all-or-nothing choice between no immigration or uncontrolled immigration.

    Uncontrolled, open-borders, illegal immigration is bad. Legal immigration is good.

    That's the real choice. And it's one that was made many generations ago.

    Now that the liberal, open-borders crowd is desperately seeking new voters, they're cynically attempting to portray the issue as new, in need of a new decision.

    It's not. And they know it.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 31, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    From the Washington post
    The union that represents the people who would have to decide who gets legalized under any new immigration law said in a letter Tuesday that the Obama administration is not ready to handle the influx of applications.

    And Kenneth Palinkas, the president of the Citizenship and Immigration Services Council, which represents the 12,000 immigration officers and staff who work at USCIS, warned House Republicans that even flirting with a limited legalization such as just granting citizenship rights to so-called Dream Act immigrants could lead to problems

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 31, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    The Dream act kids can go home at 18 and come back legally on a student visa, they are moved to the front of the line. But their lack of responsibility makes them just as illegal here as their parents. It's a ruse, once citizens they can sponsor their parents for citizenship. Then their brothers and sisters, their spouses and children etc.

  • The Hammer lehi, utah
    July 31, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    The only reason they will vote democrat is because some republican politicians refuse to go into there communities and actually try and talk to the groups there. Democrats do go into their communities and they listen to them and develop relationships that are more than just a transactional event.

    Also the conservatives constent drum of ignorant comments about hispanics is causing most hispanics to turn to the democrats. Florida is a great example where Republicans used to get most hispanic votes there and now they don't.

    Politics is personal and if people think that you hate them (whether its true or not) they wont support you on election day.

  • The Hammer lehi, utah
    July 31, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    Most dream act kids are not engaged in drug or gang activiity and King shows his ignorance to who these kids are. If they were to walk down the street you could not tell them apart from other American kids. They are in our schools and most of them identify as Americans. I used to be against the dream act until I met the kids and most of them seem to be good kids who are trying to do the right thing in a bad situation. Most of them don't have much to look forward to after they graduate and its caused an alarming rise in teen and single mother pregnancy. which does lead to gang problems in young adults.

    Rep King is trying to lay blame on individuals that have not committed a crime against our immigration system and he is trying to punish them in a very cruel manner. I don't even think he has a solution for fixing the problem because all of his proposals would never work.

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    July 31, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    The answer to the benefit or threat question of illegal immigrants is, Both. Many if not most are merely trying to work to live. However, the crime problem the same group brings is also a blight to Americans. It's not just the border violence, but every school in America that has a drug problem likely can trace those drugs back to the southern border. That was the point Rep. King was trying to make, and from what I can tell, unless border enforcement comes first, no immigration bill will solve the crime problem of illegal immigration. Legalize all you want, but the drug lords are not going to stop doing business in America. That's the major problem with our unsecured border.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 31, 2013 8:19 a.m.

    It's hard to figure what King said that was so offensive. We know people are bringing drugs across, and many times they use the parents and older children, not just the parents. Multiple trips would build up muscles. Mexico is the "fattest" nation in the world, it use to be the US, and everyone made jokes, what's changed.

    Comming here illegally does not make someone an immigrant, immigrants come with permission of the government. Hispanic's have never given a majority to the Republicans for the Presidency(Bush received 40% that's the highest, after Reagans amnesty they still voted Democrat), they like the entitlements to much.

    So why should the Republicans give the Democrats 46 million new voters through amnesty?

    Let's enforce the laws and prove to the American public that this will not happen again. How many Democrats in red states will lose their seats by giving amnesty for the EIGHTH time.

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    July 31, 2013 6:48 a.m.

    Most American citizens approve of immigration. In fact we applaud those who apply for entry and come here through our legal process. We are especially proud of those who use our path to citizenship to become citizens also.
    What we don't approve of is people who bypass the immigration laws by overstaying visas and sneaking across our borders without permission. No matter what words you use to describe these people the facts remain that they have ignored our laws and broken them. It would send the wrong message if we were to create a new and easier path to citizenship as a reward for breaking our laws. They need to return to their homeland and apply there for legal entry. Then wait patiently behind those already in front of them for their opportunity to come here.