This is why I oppose Common Core

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  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 26, 2013 11:10 a.m.

    To "UtahBlueDevil" you are wrong. Common Core is intended to be the standard, with little deviation. States are only allowed to change at most 15% of what CC states must me taught.

    To "Irony Guy" as a parent, I have seen how horrible the standards. They claim to teach advanced concepts, while sacrificing the basics that form the foundation for advanced concepts. Math is more difficult to learn using CC methods, and the english standards will only make grammar and composition a huge mess.

  • marathonman Heber City, UT
    July 26, 2013 10:21 a.m.

    Utah legislator should ignore Common Core conspiratorialists like those who have co-opted legislators in Pennsylvania and Indiana.
    Although being blamed because it inflames Utah conspiratorialists, the Obama administration had nothing to do with formulating the standards. But the anti- cc crowd has been brilliant in opposing them, taking several steps:
    Step one: Label the standards as a vast left-wing conspiracy
    Step two: Find two professors to criticize the standards -- and then get one more to write an op-ed.
    Step three: Relentlessly beat the drum, constantly email, hold pep rallies and pray that enough legislators fear the far right enough to surrender to the pressure.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    July 25, 2013 8:41 p.m.

    We saw what complete local control led to in Arkansas. Segregated schools. It actually took the feds to change it. Just some food for thought. Some local control is good, some not so much.

  • FreedomFighter41 Orem, UT
    July 25, 2013 8:12 p.m.

    Why should we care about what anybody from Arkansas thinks?

    If the argument for local control is to hold any water why must the Dnews use those from the other side of the country to fight their battles?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 25, 2013 6:49 p.m.

    @Kent C. DeForrest.... I don't disagree that continuous learning isn't a bad thing. I have my JD/MBA, my wife has been working on her PhD. We value education....

    But today's rush to educate everyone to some high minded level creates a bar the is irrelevant to many people. It you want to learn about Russian literature.... that is great. But is it really worth spending 1 to 2 thousand dollars on? Is it going to make you a better CPA, Developer, Architect?

    One of the brightest, hardest working, and frankly richest people I know... doesn't have a college degree. My former employer - Larry Ellison - no degree. Bill Gates.... No Degree. Michael Dell - no degree just to name a few. Learning to be a critical thinking is not taught by cookie cutter educational systems.

    And that is the highest risk to this.... that states rather see this as a minimum common standard, but as the Bar they teach too. But taht is up to the local and state boards to decide. Nothing in this makes anyone teach down to anyone.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    July 25, 2013 5:16 p.m.

    Re: ". . . the standards and they are not lower, they are just different . . . ."

    Yeah -- different from what our kids actually need.

    The real issue with Common Core is control and accountability. Currently, those reside at local and statewide levels.

    Surrendering local control for uniform lower standards, in return for a few temporary and insufficient federal handouts, has led to nothing be grief in EVERY other area where it's been tried.

    What overall good could possibly come from the surrender of local control of this critical enterprise? Nothing comes to mind.

    Educational "progressives" apparently believe Utahns too stupid, too unconcerned, and too unsophisticated to know what's good for our kids. Real Utahns, on the other hand, know it's the "progressives" and liberals that need remedial common-sense education.

    There's simply no good reason to surrender control of our kids' education to an anonymous, unaccountable, out-of-state entity that is clearly beholden to interests that do not promote better education.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    July 25, 2013 4:22 p.m.

    If we want more people to graduate from high school, lower the bar. If we want better educated high school graduates, then raise the bar. Which will common core do?

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    July 25, 2013 4:01 p.m.

    How do you know, when you are 12 or 15 or 18 or even 25, what you are going to need to know in your career? I have two degrees in disciplines that have little to do with my day-to-day work. Some would say I'm miseducated, perhaps overeducated. But one thing a rigorous education does (even studying irrelevant Russian novelists) is to teach you how to think and how to learn. If you can do that, you can qualify for any number of jobs. Of course, a solid foundation in math never hurt anybody.

  • Zoned-in Heber City, UT
    July 25, 2013 3:35 p.m.

    Utah Legislatures should pause implementation of Common Core education like Pennsylvania and Indiana did.
    The Obama administration was brilliant in advancing this unpopular education agenda by taking three steps.
    Step one: Instead of asking Congress to appropriate money and thereby provoking public discussion of the issue, insert the funding in a massive stimulus package.
    Step two: Make the willingness to adopt a national Common Core a virtual condition of receiving Race to the Top grants, even before the standards and curriculum are finalized.
    Step three: Recruit publicly unaccountable groups like the National Governors Association to sponsor the project. Bring in the massively wealthy Gates Foundation for funding and supervision. See to it that your former education adviser Linda Darling-Hammond (too controversial to be appointed secretary of education) is the leading presence at one of the private groups actually designing the curriculum and standards.

  • The Hammer lehi, utah
    July 25, 2013 2:08 p.m.

    @ Irony guy

    The math stardards are not higher and they are not easier to learn. The investigation technique required for completing common core math is actually very complicated and redundant. It would be a step back. I help my son with math and he is able to do his math faster and with more accuracy when he does it my way vs the ridiculous investigation approach required by common core.

    The very principle of Federally mandated standards is not a good idea. Common core would be the equivelant of NCLB on steroids. It basically would be a disaster.

  • Mamma C HEBER CITY, UT
    July 25, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    "Are we as a society really ready to agree to Common Core's low-expectations for college readiness (as professors Zimba and McCallum indicate)? Are we willing to lower the bar as a way of closing the achievement gap?"

    Thank you, Dr. Stotsky, for your important article.

    I hope people listen to you, rather than listening to those groups who are only economically motivated, and who are not acting due to any academic legitimacy of the Core, and who have no insight into what blesses children's educational lives, long term.

    But so far, too many Utahns have listened to Gates-funded, bribed groups (National PTA, CCSSO, NGA, etc.) which are funded by the Gates-centered monopoly, to say that Common Core is an upgrade. --When it isn't! Thankfully, now there is an increasing number of people who see Common Core for what it is-- a change that doesn't bless children, doesn't improve college preparation, doesn't empower teachers or principals, but instead pads the bank accounts of colluding education-sales products corporations and limits local voices and independent thought.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    July 25, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    As a former educator, I can say that I've studied the standards and they are not lower, they are just different and in some cases better. Math is easier to learn, that's true, but it's a result of a better design. English is taking more account of expository writing instead of just a steady diet of imaginative literature. I'm in favor of the great books, but there are more than just novels and poetry in that category.

  • John20000 Cedar Hills, UT
    July 25, 2013 8:56 a.m.

    Common core is the latest rung of our climb up a ladder placed against the wrong wall. Mechanistic approaches to education, although predominant for the last 200 years, treat humans like machines. We slow the assembly line down to fix the defects.

    Participation approaches to education, although larger marginalized, treat humans as living agents who want to learn certain things that are meaningful to their lives and who will excel in those things given the chance. General education is general boredom and has very little if any impact on the learner. Teachers should guide the learner's explorations, not grade them based on standards. Tools like advanced math only become meaningful if the learner needs them during their explorations.

    Of course, basic tools (basic math, reading, writing, speaking, running, driving, etc.) should be mastered, but only because they are so ubiquitous to everyday life.

    If we want great professionals in this nation, get out of their way at an early age and let them choose to become great at whatever interests them.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 25, 2013 6:22 a.m.

    Good grief... not everyone is Harvard bound, nor is an elite school necessary, or even the best thing for everyone. This notion that every child needs advanced math, or knowledge of Russian authors... is one of the biggest scams our "advanced" education crowd tries to push people.

    If educations role is to prepared one to be able to live a productive life - then we are spending billions upon billions over educating people. Sure, we need people with advanced degrees.... I work at a company that has one of the highest densities of math PHDs in the world. I spend my days using math and analytics to help the energy industry extract more - from less. But I couldn't tell you the last time I used Trig.

    The educational elite are part of the problem. Common core is intended to be the floor.... the basis upon what you build upon... not the end state. A good portion of kids will work in trades and service carriers they don't need to be over educated for, and don't need to start life with bloated debt.

    It is a foundation... not a maximum. Utah can exceed these standards if it chooses.