Teachers union chief: Bad teachers should find new jobs

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  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 25, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    Lost in DC and Bored to the point of THIS!,

    You both make very definitive statements about the unions protecting bad teachers. For my own curiosity you arrived at those conclusions based on what? I am a 30 year veteran teacher I have been a member of our teachers association and have been involved in situations where teachers are dismissed. As a right to work state, there is nothing an association can do to keep any teacher from losing their job if the administration has followed district policy and state law. Before the next misstatement of fact that process could easily be carried out in one school year. With the new legislation from Senator Osmond, supported by UEA, that time frame is down to 120 days. If you have bad teachers in your schools, you have worse administrators, who lack the courage or competence to follow a very simple remediation procedure.

    I would challenge you to read from the ATF or NEA website and read about what they are doing to try and improve the profession, rather than listen to right wing ideologues who don't let the facts get in the way of their story.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    July 25, 2013 9:22 a.m.

    Teachers are held accountable every second of every day by their students. If they're not doing the job, everyone knows it and avoids them. Kids vote with their feet just like everybody else. A French teacher in my high school had no registrants at all after 2 years of stupidity. A new and better teacher came in and rebuilt the program into 7 full classes every day. Truly poor teachers don't make it.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    July 25, 2013 9:02 a.m.

    There are bad teachers, just like every other profession. However, it is the Teachers Union that protects the bad teachers!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 25, 2013 12:08 a.m.

    Bad teachers are not the main problem. Wake up folks.

  • PetaBonita Windsor/USA, CT
    July 23, 2013 8:57 p.m.

    I found this article to be confusing in all honestly. In my opinion (I am not an educator) I had way to many teachers that were obviously incompetent and were only in a classroom because of tenure. I had one such teacher in the fourth grade that the school system was actively trying to fire because she was basically useless and due to having tenure. I had just moved and she was my first teacher in a new school system and it was not helping me academically. My high school was not any better. You could easily tell the teachers who had been teaching for far too long because classes consisted of nothing but the same old same old to the point you fell asleep and simply memorized dates (history class for example) to be able to regurgitate it back to be able to pass an exam. I feel that I have learned more as an adult and doing my own studying and research on different topics than I ever did being formally educated. I find that truly sad.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 23, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    Thing is, Randi, by your acceptance of their dues, you are obligated to protect and defend bad teachers.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    July 23, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    Unions attract better teachers because the pay and benefits are usually better but what is driving the good teachers out of educaiton is government controls and mandates that contradict the ability of teachers to be good educators. The unions should work on better more accountable states to prohibit government involvement in educations and standards.

    They are too late, the good teachers seen the light and depraved the system. The system is the problem of eduction, not the teachers or their abilities which governemnt questions and denies them to provide public education students with a quality eduction. What is left in the system is now the best they will ever have or hope to have. Older teachers are stuck and so are the schools.

    Besides, its not up to the unions to pick and choose teachers or qualify or disqualify teachers, they represent all teacher and that is their only criteria and authority.

  • GoldenGrizz86 West Jordan, UT
    July 22, 2013 11:39 p.m.

    Wayne, why do big union states have better graduation rates and out perform students in non-union states then?

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    July 22, 2013 11:33 p.m.

    Wayne Rout:

    What you said has nothing to do with what is going on in Utah...

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    July 22, 2013 9:05 p.m.

    You can never believe a union leader of any kind. Vouchers are the best solution. Teachers would be paid more, parents would be in control, and children would learn much more. Home schooled students typically excel as they get away from union teachers. I see no reason that the teachers should run the schools. Why can't teachers be held accountable for results, everyone in the private sector who pay the taxes are help accountable. Only government employees seem to be able to do as little as they want and still demand more pay and even more time off.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 22, 2013 7:26 p.m.

    Let's face the truth.

    Teachers are held more accountable than the president on the United States.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 22, 2013 5:48 p.m.

    Bad lawmakers, and legistlators should find new jobs.

    Teachers are not to be blamed for poor decision making from political leadership.