Autos troubles, race at root of Detroit collapse

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  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    July 24, 2013 2:41 p.m.

    worf, you never fail to get to the point. In as few words a possible too.

    Maybe I'm mistaken, but didn't President Obama "save" General Motors? And, if I'm not mistaken, isn't General Motors located in Detroit Michigan? So what happened? Doesn't seem to be much flag waving, like there was before the election, about having bailed out GM. Remember the mantra? GM is alive and Osama is dead. Now it would seem, that even GM success will not be enough, such as it is. I would almost feel sorry for Obama, if he wasn't so arrogant as to always find blame for his lack of success. I truly think the man has a narcissistic personality. I'm no shrink, but I've been around people like that, and one thing is common about their character. They are never wrong and they never make mistakes. Not a good character type for the White House. Come to think of it there was a book written some time ago about Presidential personality types. Maybe worth a look.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 23, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    The people of Detroit voted in corrupt leaders.

    There's your reason for the "Detroit collapse". Period!

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2013 10:37 p.m.

    I have worked as a software engineer for almost 30 years, mostly doing automation systems. I've done several projects for the big three auto makers and in most cases the unions were directly responsible for adding to the cost of the projects, mostly by delaying tactics but, in a few cases, by actual sabotage.

    To be fair, in most cases, most of the actual guys I worked with were very competent and even hard working. But, because of the job padding union contracts there were often 2-3 guys assigned for duties that barely required one. In once case, one of the the electricians assigned to the project would regularly to a part of the factory where he could hide (in plants as large as these, there are plenty of secluded cubby-holes) and nap for a couple hours to be ready for a moon-lighting job.

    I have always been pretty sympathetic to the whole idea of collective bargaining, but my experience there convinced me that there is corruption in unions that is every bit as corrosive and destructive as any manipulative or exploitative managerial trait. And, a lot of that is the cause of Detroit's demise.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 22, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    Unless we change political leaders, this whole country will resemble Detroit.

    We don't need more speeches, but results.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    July 22, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    Actually, NAFTA was a byproduct of the UAW problems in Detroit. GM and others learned that you cannot compete with Toyota when you pay a guy $60 an hour to put the doors on glove boxes. hire guys in Mexico who are happy to work for $50 a week in a plant where they serve you breakfast and lunch, have a doctor on staff and take you home in a company bus.
    Detroit unions were killing competition in Detroit long before NAFTA.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    July 22, 2013 4:33 a.m.

    It sounds good and reasonable assumption to blame the bankruptcy on party politics and organized labor, but its all a lie.

    The real cause and reason for the downfall of our economy and this country going into bankruptcy is the NAFTA treaty everyone has forgotten about and government and business is keeping it out of the picture.

    The decline of the economy began in less than a year after its passing. The big auto makers had already built their plants and relocated their factories and to 3rd world countries in anticipation of the NAFTA treaty being approved by congressional vote they bought and paid for with campaign funds. It backfired, not realizing they also killed the consumer market that bought their products that benefited housing, jobs, small business.

    Before the NAFTA treaty american business and corporations by federal law could not move out of this country and set up shop with slave labor and cheap labor. The NAFTA treaty did and still does allow American companies to desert this country for cheap and slave labor.

    Revoke NAFTA, freeze imports, close borders, creates prosperity, wealth, and economy.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    July 21, 2013 9:54 p.m.

    It's hard to believe that 'racism' and 'segregation' was the problem that spelled doom for Detroit. But that's clearly the media's scapegoat of today, regardless of the issue. Apparently living beyond ones means, just tacking on the cost of union demands to the price of every vehicle had nothing to do with strangling the goose that laid the golden egg.

    The union in Detroit owns the most expensive looking building in the city.

    Getting a job where all you do is put a piece of glass into a door every 30 seconds or screw on a hood latch required no education and isn't worth all the thousands of dollars of pay and benefits the union demanded. On a visit to the Ford Rouge Plant (F-150 pick-up truck assembly plant) the tour focused on "2 acres of wetlands," "green roofing" (grass on the roof), a mere dozen fruit trees and other liberal policies. My questions about manufacturing and shipping new vehicles went unanswered, but there was a lot about "protecting the environment."

    No wonder the place is under water.

  • FREDISDEAD West Point, ny
    July 21, 2013 6:49 p.m.

    Sad but true. Though those involved will never see it that way.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 21, 2013 6:15 p.m.


    Detroit is the bankrupt, stinking cesspool that it is strictly because it has been run by corrupt liberal Democrats, implementing their socialist policies, and encouraging a dependency lifestyle.

    No government can survive if it spends more than it takes in, excessively taxes the "makers" while coddling the "takers" and endlessly regulates and tax employers so that they cease employing people, and lavish unsustainable promises to public employee unions.

    Not Detroit, and certainly not even the federal government.