Across US, people rally for 'Justice for Trayvon'

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  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 5:10 p.m.

    Stand Your Ground means that one does not have the obligation to retreat if threatened. When you are lying on your back and someone is on your chest and pounding on you, retreat is not a physical option. That is why the GZ defense team did not use SYG. They claimed self-defense.

  • Another Thought... ,
    July 22, 2013 8:42 p.m.


    I share your questions. If either one of them would have taken a step back and avoided the confrontation that led to this death, we wouldn't have heard a word about it. As it was, Zimmerman could have backed off as advised by the 911 operator. Martin could have gone on his way without attacking Zimmerman. Either choice would have avoided the confrontation.

    I hear so many people jumping to conclusions about who was at fault and why, but I wasn't there. I did not attend the trial either. I don't know what the truth is about all this. From what I have heard and read, this situation escalated because of the actions of two people.

    Martin may have been only 17, but so was the kid who killed a soccer ref in Utah a few months ago with only one punch to the head. 17 is old enough to join the military with parents' permission. 17 is old enough to kill. The trial is over. Accept the outcome and work to improve the world by teaching your own kids how to behave.

    This is not the case to rally around for a cause.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    July 22, 2013 3:36 p.m.

    When LIES are spewed forth to the ignorant masses, chaos is inevitable. When the lies come from the President, the chaos is even worse. He uses his "life experience" to hypothesize scenarios from his "unique" perspective. He talks about the woman in the elevator "clutching" her purse. Truth be known, that lady in the elevator opened her purse and gave him a "fair share" of her money.

    From my unique perspective, this "event" gave license to ALL of the hate mongers to do their hate mongering.

  • Grandma 20 Allen, TX
    July 22, 2013 3:18 p.m.

    This is mass hysteria! The angels have recorded all that which was done that unfortunate day. Let God, who knows and sees all things, be the judge.

  • riverofsun St.George, Utah
    July 22, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    Not sure if any of you keep in close touch with your pal, "Zim".
    Should you give Zimmer a call, right now, you can be sure that he wishes he never got out of his vehicle to follow Trayvon Martin.
    "Zim" joins the many infamous who know they made a gargantuan mistake. The life this killer will now live, well....not exactly what "Zim" had in mind.
    We'll see the entire sad story in writing soon enough from "Zim" and his family.

  • MGB Saint George, UT
    July 22, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    If Zimmerman is a White Hispanic then Obama is a White Black.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    This is no surprising. These people have an awful lot of time on their hands.

    Meanwhile, the rest of us go back to work.

  • jayhawker kearns, UT
    July 22, 2013 8:48 a.m.

    Of course Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are rabble rousing, but the real problem is the news media. Every time some misguided soul waves a sign or shouts a slogan the media shows up to take pictures and formulate stories no mater how outlandish the mob might be. As a matter of fact, the more bazaar the crowd the more attention they get. Come on news media, do some work, find a real story instead of riding your office chair waiting for the story to come to you.

  • Mr. Bean Pheonix, AZ
    July 22, 2013 12:57 a.m.

    "... the law in Florida is so lenient toward self defense that it's not difficult to murder somebody and get away with it, if you know how to set up a confrontation, then when it escalates, you kill them and claim self defense."

    If you kill someone regardless of what law you use for an excuse, you'd better show some signs that you had to defend yourself... or a jury will likely see that you spend much of the rest of your life locked up in jail.

    "If I was a neighborhood watch person, I would notice that Trayvon fit the profile..."

    Don't say 'profile' lest guys like Sharpton and Jackson will take it that you mean 'racial profiling.'

    "Why are they dividing a nation over racial profiling when none exists?"

    There are some black folks who make a living out of fostering anti-race relations.

    "Why did he feel compelled to attack this man he must have believed to be unarmed?"

    There is no earthly reason why Trayvon needed to attack. All he needed do is proceed directly to his home.

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    July 22, 2013 12:38 a.m.

    "So people are fired up and marching for Trayvon but why are they not marching for the other 5-10 kids his age gunned down each day."

    Because they are mostly black on Black kids. Black protesters don't care much about protesting where Blacks kill Blacks.

    "Had that law not been in place, they might have reached a different verdict..."

    Likely not. Zim had the right to defend himself. How that differs from 'stand your ground' is unclear.

    "We don't know who started the fight."

    We do know who get beat up with a bloody nose and scalp. There is no reason for Zim to start a fight. All he wanted/needed to know was, does Martin live here or is burglarizing houses?

    "But we do know that Zimmerman instigated the whole situation."

    He did no such thing. Zim was on neighborhood watch. He had the right to know who Martin was and what he was up to. He had the right and responsibility to keep Martin in sight to inform the police when they arrived.

  • frugalfly PULLMAN, WA
    July 21, 2013 11:26 p.m.

    I try to contemplate what the result would have been if Zimmerman would have backed off as advised by police? I wonder what the result would have been if Travon Martin would have reacted to Zimmerman with no physical resistance or retaliation or racial slurs? Both contributed to the end result. Both are guilty to some degree of being violent. It would have only taken one of these persons to be mellow and nonescalating and we wouldn't be talking about this. It wasn't like the Rodney King video which the man layed on the ground and got the crud kicked out of him. That video makes me sick! I still can't understand how they got away with that....

  • Steve Cottrell Centerville, UT
    July 21, 2013 3:26 p.m.

    I can't judge if justice was served. Unlike the jury, I did not listen to every word of testimony and examine every piece of evidence that was presented at the trial.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    July 21, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    What is expected? What is accepted? What is unacceptable? Give it a rest.

  • Zenawp Sandy, UT
    July 21, 2013 1:28 p.m.

    Nobody is mentioning the fact that the neighborhood was being burglarized by some young, black men. If I was a neighborhood watch person, I would notice that Trayvon fit the profile of who had been robbing the locals. Walking in your neighborhood following someone is not illegal. Beating someone and breaking their nose is illegal and may get you killed. But who is at fault here? Gone is the time when we can beat someone and hope they have nothing to protect themselves. Would this be an issue if the neighborhood watch person were a woman of any race? I think not. Why are they dividing a nation over racial profiling when none exists? I'm very sad for the loss of Trayvon and for his family. But destroying Mr. Zimmerman's life even further, will not bring back their son. Did they teach their son to beat people that were walking behind him? Why did he feel compelled to attack this man he must have believed to be unarmed?

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    July 21, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    What is justice? Is it to persecute a person who was found innocent in a legal and fair trial? Should Zimmerman say that though he is innocent in order for things to be just, he should confess to doing something he didn't do? The more the protesters protest, the less respect I have for them.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    July 21, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    Senator John McCain, who is in the mold of Al Sharpton.
    Say anything do anything to stay in power. Orin Hatch knows where the power is also, slide to the Left and gain Washington power.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    July 21, 2013 11:13 a.m.


    Think about it for just a minute...
    To be able to have the right to speak up without fear of reprisal, is a major reason our forefathers came to this country.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    July 21, 2013 10:15 a.m.


    To the extent the self-defense laws (including "stand your ground") can be used to murder people under the pretense of self defense, then, yes, you're right, many in this nation would like to see at least a vigorous review of these laws, including Senator John McCain, who is hardly in the mold of Al Sharpton.

    A Utah policeman I know told me the law in Florida is so lenient toward self defense that it's not difficult to murder somebody and get away with it, if you know how to set up a confrontation, then when it escalates, you kill them and claim self defense.

    I really doubt this was Zimmerman's intention, but under the law, this is entirely possible... and extremely difficult to prosecute.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    July 21, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    idablue: ""Stand your ground" wasn't even part of the defense"

    While you're technically correct that the defense did not present Stand your ground, if you listened to juror interviews since the verdict, they very clearly used it when they came to their "not guilty" verdict. Had that law not been in place, they might have reached a different verdict, because it is only with laws like that where you can instigate a situation, if perhaps not the actual fists being thrown, and still claim self defense. We don't know who started the fight. Zimmerman claims it was Trayvon, but of course he does--I'm sure Trayvon would say the opposite. But we do know that Zimmerman instigated the whole situation. In the absence of stand your ground (and the jurors learned about this from the supposedly left-wing media before sequestration) Zimmerman likely wouldn't have been acquitted.

    July 21, 2013 3:05 a.m.

    Worf: Michael J doesn't know. He is just spouting the PC dogma without trying to educate himself. Sometimes I wonder what ever happened to a "real" education, not the current PC education we are getting with out tax dollars.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 20, 2013 10:46 p.m.

    @Michael J:

    How is it harder being a black in Florida than white in Utah?. What's the difference?

  • Michael J SANDY, UT
    July 20, 2013 10:05 p.m.

    It is easy to criticize the protestors but I do agree that it is much harder to be a black teenage teen in Florida than a white teenage teen in utah. The verdict was right under the law and evidence but that doesn't mean there isn't a injustice when it comes to perceptions to black male teenagers. I am sympathetic to what the ultimate message.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    July 20, 2013 10:03 p.m.

    Justice was already served.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    July 20, 2013 9:53 p.m.

    This is all so ridiculous that one wonders just what in the world all the protestors really want. They don't want justice or equality, they want some abstract objective that no one can provide. You just can't have everything work for the welfare of every person when we are all humans. What a waste of effort and media space.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    July 20, 2013 8:51 p.m.

    "nation's self-defense laws"

    Zimmerman waived his right to be tried under the "stand your ground" laws. There argument is irrelevant.

    It looks to me like the far-left is trying to take away our rights to defend ourselves.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 20, 2013 8:38 p.m.

    If Obama was a city, he would look like Detroit.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    July 20, 2013 8:30 p.m.

    These so-called "leaders" of the black community have all made very good livings from race-baiting. The truth is none of these protestors really know the evidence or what went on in the court room. "Stand your ground" wasn't even part of the defense, yet Holder conveniently ignores this just as the white-guilt ridden liberals and black leaders ignore the fact that it was not even a white-on-black incident.

    Based on the evidence the jury made a correct decision. I don't believe Zimmerman is completely guiltless in this tragic incident, but I am disgusted in how many have used this for political purposes and to promote racial division.

    Instead of wasting their time on this garbage a true leader of the black community would be addressing the enormous problem of black on black crime and preponderance of single mothers and welfare dependents in the black community.

  • fed up Provo, UT
    July 20, 2013 8:09 p.m.

    Racism is ugly. Just because Obama, the Martins, Jackson, Sharpton and obvious are black does not excuse them for their blatant actions I am so opposed to racism whether done by whites, chinese, hispanics, muslims or blacks.

  • David Centerville, UT
    July 20, 2013 7:40 p.m.

    Hmmmm. I lock my car doors every time I get out of it. I live in a neighborhood that is all white. Does locking my car door mean I am racist towards whites?

    I was in a store today and a clerk approached me, asked if I needed any help. I told him "no, thank you". He lingered nearby. Does his lingering mean he suspected me as a risk for theft or crime? I am white. How is my experience different than Obama's experience of being followed in a store.

    While living in Richmond, Virginia, I was robbed on the street by a black man. I don't feel that he represents the black community at all. Just because he was black does not mean all blacks are thieves. I don't feel suspicious of my black friends now.

    Is Sharpton, Jackson, Obama, and others using this "crisis" to get something, just as Emanuel said "never let a crisis go to waste"?

    If Treyvon had been white would Zimmerman have acted any differently? If Martin had been white, and was killed, would the black community be out in the streets marching against injustice?

  • Ted Saint George, UT
    July 20, 2013 7:35 p.m.

    So people are fired up and marching for Trayvon but why are they not marching for the other 5-10 kids his age gunned down each day. 17 yr olds are killed each day in some big city (and other places too) around this nation. Who's marching for them? Should somebody be marching against these Trayvon supports for the injustice they have against these other young kids? Something is twisted upside down regarding these marches. Who's instigating them and why?

  • HS Sport Dude Salt Lake City, UT
    July 20, 2013 7:26 p.m.

    I'm quite confused as to what people want in the name of Justice. Mr. Zimmerman was "not guilty" and that was very clear from the evidence and the trial. He spent a year in prison already and was "not guilty". people want someone else to pay a price in the name of justice? What is needed to make these people feel that justice was served. Bottom line....don't punch a "strange man" in the nose and then mount him and begin to hit his head on the sidewalk.....he may feel a need to defend himself and may have a lethal weapon. This was not "stand your ground" was "stay alive".