Hatch shows courage on immigration

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  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2013 10:28 p.m.

    "Many skilled workers across the labor spectrum, from farm workers to engineers, do not have a legal way to work and contribute to the economy — while countries like Canada and Chile have adapted and are providing visas to the entrepreneurs and STEM graduates we are turning away."

    But the USA is already turning away tens of thousand of USA candidates looking for jobs! Why should foreign workers have the privilege of being considered first before USA candidates? That is essentially what the H-1B visa program is doing.

    The stats on this are incredible:

    -One third of USA computer science/information technology college graduates do not get a job in their field of study.

    -On half of USA engineering college graduates do not get a job in their field of study.

    -And a whopping 2/3 of USA science college graduates do not get a job in their field of study.

    Massive increases in the visa are not needed. American workers should not have to compete with an unfair government subsidy - the H-1B visa. It unfairly gives foreign workers an advantage as any subsidy would.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    July 18, 2013 1:52 p.m.

    Ho hum. Another bill that we have to pass to find out what is in it. For sure there wasn't much in the way of enforcement in the bill he voted yes on. The 1986 bill (which he voted yes on also) was an "Amnesty to end all Amnesties" and now we have a much bigger problem which they in Washington are planning to "solve" by passing another amnesty bill. I can hardly wait for the next amnesty in 2040, that should really be a doosie. Viva LEGAL immigration.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    July 17, 2013 11:10 p.m.

    Hatch's career is over. This is his last term. He's showing his true colors.

    I only hope the House has the will to fight immigration reform (code for amnesty and open borders). Repeated amnesty and open borders will ultimately play a major part in the ruin of this country.

    This is a phoney campaign of compassion. It is driven by greed by powerful people.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2013 9:54 p.m.

    I don't know about courage, but it does take a lot of nerve to run for re-election one way, get elected, and then vote the other way. I guess being his last term he has nothing to lose. He lost the respect of the people some time ago.

  • sg newhall, CA
    July 17, 2013 6:19 p.m.

    Courage? He showed us just how weak he is. The Dream Act and this bill are nothing less than granting amnesty

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    July 17, 2013 5:47 p.m.

    I actually voted for Romney last election. When was the last time you voted for a Democrat for President?

    Repubs have taken partisanship to a whole new level.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    July 17, 2013 5:31 p.m.

    you'd vote for the very devil"

    I never voted for Bush. Nice try though!

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    July 17, 2013 4:59 p.m.

    Hatch is a sellout. I wish Rep Chaffetz would run against him in a Primary. Those of us who have lived in this country for awhile, remember that the bill signed in 1986 was supposed to get rid of illegal immigration. It didn't. Why would this bill be any different. It is full of enforcement promises, but we can see through the lies. Second, there are many legal immigrants who don't want this bill. They jumped through the hoops and immigrated the right way. Now a group gets preferential treatment? Does that sound fair? A true courageous stand would be to rework the 14th Amendment's Citizenship Clause and remove the "anchor baby" mentality. As a Utah Republican I am ashamed of Hatch and haven't voted for him the last two cycles. If we are going to have a Democrat in the Senate, might as well vote for the real thing.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    @The Economist

    "...help America keep it's population up to replacement levels. ... younger people have less babies, to the point that the count is below replacement levels ... I don't know how they'll be able to handle it without the reform."

    How about stop persistently pushing for policies designed to drive down wages -- such as looking the other way at illegal immigration, legalizing illegal aliens, and flooding the nation with tens of millions more foreign workers on top of that -- to where American families suffer terribly with unemployment, underemployment, shamefully low wages, inability to properly clothe and feed their families, foreclosure upon their homes, and both parents having to work and thus having to put their existing children into commercial daycare anyway.

    Then perhaps Americans would take courage and have more children.

  • Thinkman Provo, UT
    July 17, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    Hatch actually showed no courage at all. The popular thing to do was to vote for this current Immigration "Reform" bill in the Senate.

    The only Immigration Reform we need is:

    1. Build the fence NOW!

    2. Then and only then, put together a program for worker visas and paths to citizenship

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 17, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    please explain how you are paying personal income taxes without a valid tax ID number. Please

    you'd vote for the very devil if he had a D by his name - oh wait, you probably did.

    LDS? lib,
    how do you know how many times Mike voted for hatch? have you been tampering with ballot boxes? that's a federal offense, you know. of course, holder refuses to uphold election laws that don't directly benefit dems.

    but better to vote for hatch than to give harry reid more power.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 17, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    The irony of Sen. Hatch is that he voted for the 1986 amnesty!

    Doesn't it occur to him to demand enforcement of that amnesty, rather than write a new amnesty bill?

    Maybe if he votes for a new amnesty bill every year; at some point he will remember the enforcement component?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 17, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    You have a lot of audacity to complain when YOU voted for the guy 7 times in a row.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    July 17, 2013 8:51 a.m.

    Are we really surprised?

    Why did we even reelect him in the first place?

    Utah would elect the very devil if it had a "R" by its name.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 17, 2013 8:48 a.m.

    Hatch's age, or spinlessness has caught up with him, and he wants to be a member of the "good old boys club" with his liberal Democrat associates more than he wants to uphold the rule of law.

    Too bad. He was a pretty good Senator for the first 14 years or so, but in the last 12 has gone downhill, and now is an embarrassment to Utah and to the conservative principles he touts when campaigning but ignores when voting on bills.

    Thank God we have Mike Lee to balance out Hatch's actions.

    We really missed an opportunity to improve things for our country when we fialed to replace Hatch last election.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    July 17, 2013 8:14 a.m.

    Mr. Hatch is acting disgracefully. He knows that funding was provided to build a fence and that funding was provided to secure the border. He knows that Obama chose to NOT build a fence letting millions of aliens enter the United States illegally. He knows that the bill that he voted for has a provision to let someone in government defund the fence and to defund border security if that person wishes to do so. No matter how many promises Obama has given that he will tighten border security and stop the influx, the bill contains all the "loop-holes" necessary to let him do whatever he wants. Meanwhile the federal government has blocked attempts to require voters to show I.D. before voting. Some precincts had over 150% of registered voters voting in the last general election.

    Hatch campaigned on fixing things in Washington and now he's doing what he has always done - he made promises that he had no intention of keeping; but, he's secure in his job. Why should he care?

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    July 17, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    Not courageous ..... Sell out is a better word.

  • BU52 Provo, ut
    July 17, 2013 7:51 a.m.

    Hatch is a true RINO, a byproduct of being a perpetual politician and illustrates why term limits are necessary.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    July 17, 2013 7:10 a.m.

    Jesus, Most Americans do not object to streamlining the system. What we object to is millions of people who have entered the Country illegally then milked the system to stay here. What we will not accept is rewarding those of you who are here illegally being rewarded with citizenship and or a favored place in the line. It appears you have been rewarded mightly with education and opportunity at the cost of U.S.Citizens but you are an execption. Most remain burdens on the system. Sen. Hatch so naively beleives that future enforcement will happen. Those of us who are more in tune with government know that as in the present refuse to enforce laws or choose to ignore those laws much like you have. The amnesty of 1986 proves this and why should we beleive that now it will be different. There is nothing borken about our present system other than the will to enforce the law is non existant.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2013 6:38 a.m.

    A quick look at the authors' brief bio. tells me why he thinks Sen. Hatch is the best thing since sliced bread.

    High-tech employers LOVE the Senate immigration bill because it will allow them to hire (now legal)foreign high-tech workers for approximately one-third of what the salary range is for U.S. legal citizens.

    When Sen. Hatch is crusading against excessive government regulation; I support him. In the case of illegal trespassers, he's followed the advice of his good bud Chucky Schumer and his lobbyist friends.

    Out-of-work LEGAL American citizens can......well.....just live with his choice of putting lawbreakers at the head of the unemployment lines.

    Lets hope the House of Representatives represent LEGAL American citizens, rather than lawbreakers when they vote.

  • The Economist Newport, PA
    July 17, 2013 6:25 a.m.

    An important element in the discussion on Immigration Reform is it's need to help America keep it's population up to replacement levels. Western Countries, in general, are seeing their younger people have less babies, to the point that the count is below replacement level. Fortunately for America, many people still want to Immigrate to our country. By streamlining the Immigration process and making it available to these people, we can help replace our aging population. This is especially important as, without reform, our young people of today will have to face the consequences current deficit spending and the high costs of the aging Baby Boomers on a smaller population. I don't know how they'll be able to handle it without the reform.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2013 12:44 a.m.

    More sophistry, and lies. The DREAM act, the Gang of Eight bill, and similar legislation benefits illegal aliens, their children, and those who hire illegally, while the rest of America suffers.

    I wonder why Mr. Loya doesn't think he could make a valuable contribution in his home country.

    And I notice that among all illegal aliens who do claim to love America but in fact disrespect its laws, DREAMers have an extraordinary sense of entitlement to legal residency, a green card, and more This is because their parents taught them this false sense of entitlement, as they also taught them that being dishonest and manipulative and breaking the law is the pathway to legal residency and education in this country.

    Such persons -- who in turn teach such bad values to yet another generation -- hardly are in a position to lecture us on "strengthening families."

    The entire DREAMer enterprise is a scam. Parents purposely bring their children here illegally at four years old or whenever, then they falsely manipulate Americans into feeling guilty about enforcing immigration law.

    The answer is to draw the line at the law. Parents will then stop illegally trafficking their children into this country.