Zimmerman trial jury may consider lesser charge

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  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    July 13, 2013 9:39 a.m.

    Trayvon Martin broke no laws. If Mr. Zimmerman, in his overzealous, racial-profiling and stalking activities, would have complied with Law Enforcement and NOT followed this young man, he would be alive today.

    Zimmerman is directly responsible for creating the situation in which Trayvon feared for his own safety; Zimmerman is responsible for killing this young man. And he did it primarily because the boy was black and Zimmerman equated the color of his skin with malicious intent.

    Zimmerman must go to jail.

  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    July 12, 2013 5:30 p.m.

    What "speaks volumes" is the overt racism in many of these comments.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    July 12, 2013 4:54 p.m.

    There is tons of "reasonable doubt" in this case. No justification for a conviction of even manslaugter. I only hope that the defense was allowed to tell the jury that a manslaughter conviction can carry almost as much time as a 2nd degree does. If these ladies of the jury don't know that they may go in and think it is a slap on the wrist conviction and give it to him just because the PC powers were convicting Zimmerman before the trial even began. It's over now, and reasonable doubt is obviously the only just result. The prosecution did not make the case. Plain and simple.

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    July 12, 2013 2:11 p.m.


  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2013 12:01 p.m.

    Interesting that law enforcement is prepping for rioting if Zimmerman is acquitted.

    And yet there are thousands in Florida who support that acquittal.

    So two groups, both passionate about who they support.

    And yet police believe only one group will begin rioting and acts of violence if the verdict isn't what they like.

    Speaks volumes doesn't it?


    I am proud to be part of the peaceful group who will not riot, regardless of the outcome.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    @I am LDS,

    Please give us the quote where he "disobeyed law enforcement instructions"

    And please learn about what the word "instructions" means as you do.


    Zimmerman had the RIGHT to follow this suspicious person, who as it turns out was on drugs at the time.

    Interesting since on the call to police he even said "this guy looks like he's on drugs or something"

    He was on drugs and had it in his system.


    Treyvon had 4 minutes free where he could have called police AND/OR run home(a distance of several dozen yards no more)

    He didn't call police.

    He didn't go home.

    He planned his attack and on Zimmerman.

    Zimmerman did everything within his legal right.

    Treyvon did not.

    Zimmerman did the right thing and called police.

    He is a hero for watching out for his community.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    "Man slaughter and murder have the same burden of proof from the prosecution"

    Murder requires a degree of pre-planning involved. Manslaughter can be more like a case of using overwhelming force in response, which is the argument the prosecution has used. He can be innocent of murder two (not sure why you keep saying one) and guilty of manslaughter if it's believed that he didn't go into this thinking he'd kill Treyvon, but ended up doing so unnecessarily.

    "However it was NOT a crime for George to get out and pursue a suspicious character in a crime filled area. "

    You'd be fine with someone stalking a child of yours if the stalker arbitrarily decided they were somehow suspicious?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 12, 2013 10:52 a.m.


    Man slaughter and murder have the same burden of proof from the prosecution - that is that Zimmerman was NOT in fear of his life and therefore the self defense clause in Florida would not protect him. The prosecution knew Zimmerman DID INDEED fear for his life and therefore they couldn't get the murder one charge so they played the little game of trying to shame the jury into at least putting the man behind bars....after all a black man was killed by a white man and that is all the proof that our PC society needs today. Zimmerman - by Florida law - is innocent. If he is innocent of murder one then he is likewise innocent of man slaughter ...because he did fear for his life and was acting in self defense. Should George have just stayed in his car and waited for police to arrive? Probably. However it was NOT a crime for George to get out and pursue a suspicious character in a crime filled area. Had this 17 year old not gone crazy with rage and jumped on top of Zimmerman bashing his head into the ground both we be alive today.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    July 12, 2013 10:40 a.m.


    "LDS: I didn't know you were a juror. Aren't you supposed to be sequestered until after the trial?"

    That's OK. There are probably a lot of things you don't know.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 12, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    this is nothing short of a KKK race linching ...reversed. Yes this time the KKK is the media and the black community along with the PC crowd of judges, politicians and lawyers. Recall in the classic "To Kill a Mocking Bird" Gregory Peck tries to counsel the jury members to be fair and to NOT base their opinions on skin color but that is EXACTLY what happened. In that case a black man was wrongfully convicted because he was black. Today we are upside down in this country and have flip flopped to the opposite extreme of discrimination. Today a White Hispanic will be convicted on Man Slaughter simply because he is white and he killed a black man. Really that simple. This is a red flag indicator of where our PC culture has taken us to. Wrong is wrong whether it be the old KKK or the equivalent Black Panther party of today with their associated liberal sympathizers. America is in a really bad place today.

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    July 12, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    LDS: I didn't know you were a juror. Aren't you supposed to be sequestered until after the trial?

  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    July 12, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    @Say No to BO --

    "Can they suddenly inject a menu of charges?"

    Read the article, people (not just you, Say No).

    As the article clearly states, this is common practice under FL state law. Some states allow it, some don't.

    I've said from the beginning that I thought Zimmerman was likely to get convicted of manslaughter. That looks even more likely now.

    Whether or not he *racially* profiled Martin, it was Zimmerman who started the whole encounter. Therefore its outcome is his responsibility.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    July 12, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    Zimmerman stalked, provoked, and disobeyed law enforcement instructions, before assaulting this kid then killing him.

    The fact that the kid fought back is incidental.

    Zimmerman needs to be locked up. He is as guilty as sin.

  • Badger55 Nibley, Ut
    July 12, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    Not sure how the judge can instruct the Jury to consider a lesser charge. The fact that the accused was not allowed to call witnesses on his behalf for the manslaughter(the crime has different elements than 2nd degree Murder) violates his constitutional rights with regards to the compulsory clause of the 6th amendment. At this stage in the game, the prosecution should have to re file amending to the charge of manslaughter, Zimmerman allowed to enter a plea and then defend himself against the Manslaughter charge while the prosecution is responsible for proving beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed the crime.

    However, 6th amendment aside, the prosecution did not show negligence. According to state law, if a person is not engaged in illegal activity(Prosecution did not prove Zimmerman did anything illegal before the fight) that person has the right to meet force with force, even deadly force. If my head were being slammed against the concrete, I would not wait to see if the end result was life threatening. Any reasonable person would believe that serious bodily injury is imminent. If you say otherwise, you are not being honest.

  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    July 12, 2013 7:40 a.m.

    Excuse me, a young boy is dead. Show some respect, please.

  • Zac Ogden, UT
    July 12, 2013 6:52 a.m.

    They are really trying for something. When manslaughter doesn't work, they will try operating a multi-level marketing operation, jay walking, or using loud equipment before 7 am.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    July 12, 2013 6:52 a.m.

    Can they suddenly inject a menu of charges?
    One would think new charges need to be filed and the process begin again. Shouldn't Zimmerman be allowed to enter a plea to the new charges? Can the judge and jury just assume he would plead not guilty?
    And at what point is this considered double jeopardy?
    One thing is for sure; the prosecution is inept and the judge is allowing them to play games.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 11, 2013 11:29 p.m.

    Manslaughter is what made sense to pursue from the start anyway.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    July 11, 2013 10:50 p.m.

    Manslaughter works for me.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    July 11, 2013 10:22 p.m.

    Not guilty.

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 11, 2013 10:15 p.m.

    While I do not believe Zimmerman was justified in his actions, I have to admit this was a low move by the prosecution. This should have been filed much earlier than after the defense had rested.