Lois M. Collins: Media portray girls and women as body parts

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  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    July 10, 2013 3:53 p.m.

    Anyone that has had a teenage daughter knows that the fight is to keep girls from objectifying themselves.

    Anyone that looks at a women's magazine read mainly by women knows men had nothing to do with the nude photos of pregnant women they love to put in there.

    So, why do women keep objectifying themselves and blaming men for it?

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    July 10, 2013 8:03 a.m.

    A popular phrase today is: "Women are...." followed by all the superlatives you have words for.

    How about "Women are...." - depends on the woman or women you are talking about; the same with men. Men and women are what they make themselves.

    Men shouldn't buy pornography and women wouldn't pose for it if men and women were all as they should be. Both do it for money, the love of which is the ROOT of all evil.

    Men should treat women with respect and women should treat men with respect. Anyone else tired of the double standards?

    I know plenty of men and boys who are far from being "rats and snails and puppy dogs' tails" and many women who are definitely NOT "sugar and spice and all things nice". Judge every one by the content of their character and not by the color of the skins
    God gave them or the gender he made them.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    July 10, 2013 7:41 a.m.

    The article is about a woman's self esteem,
    And Mike Richards makes it about the loss of HIS money.

    Telling, isn't it?

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2013 12:25 a.m.

    Save the women and children first is simply shorthand for kill the men
    yes objectifying women is wrong - but is it any more wrong than brutalizing boys who are supposed to take it like a man?
    It is annoying to see gratuitous female nudity in movies - yet where is the outrage over the disproportionate number of men who are gratuitously killed and maimed in film?

    pornography that air brushes women into impossible beauty is wrong - but is it really any worse than the female pornography of romance novels that play to base female fantasies and present men in an equally inane and impossible light?

    the problem with modern feminist thought is that it is so dependent on victim power that it cannot see beyond it - feminists cannot acknowledge that anyone else is a victim (or that they can be a perpetrator) without fear that their power source will be diluted
    abusing women is wrong - but assuming it is any more wrong than abusing men is exactly how passive aggressive feminists try to have it both ways - preference or equality; depending on which is most convenient to the current power need
    what about your boys?

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    July 9, 2013 6:48 p.m.

    You may have a point but....me thinks you protest too much.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 9, 2013 6:37 p.m.

    @Mike.... your second post makes a lot more sense.... much better phrased than the first one.

    Your first post is all about weekend warrior photographers - who many can frankly shoot better than a lot of the so called pros. "Real" photographers have absolutely nothing to worry about. Production photographers should be concerned.

    But yes.... there is a real problem with "free" porn on the internet. I don't understand why anyone would give away something of so much value - for nothing. I agree we have a generational problem where so many think things should just be free... without any reflection of the cost to the owner of what ever it is.... music, intellectual property, what ever it may be.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    July 9, 2013 4:15 p.m.

    Oh, I see, Mike Richards,
    This is more about YOUR LOSS of money.
    You are somewhat lacking in your understanding of woman.
    Massive generalizations never have any credibility.

  • From Ted's Head Orem, UT
    July 9, 2013 3:00 p.m.

    Wow...I hope the author feels better after that mostly useless rant. This isn't a hard topic to understand...many men want to have sex with a woman and women for thousands of years have been using whatever advantage they have to obtain the best mate/father for their offspring. Should we be surprised that men typically seek out the most attractive (as defined by the then current society) and women--knowing this--adorn and present themselves in such a manner as to get attention. Birds and bees 101. Want to fix it? Have the courage to toss away the lipstick, hairspray, nail polish, perfume, curlers, padded/push up bra, high heels, hose, earrings, etc etc etc. But don't talk out of both sides of your mouth. If you want to be treated by others for your intellectual, emotional, or spiritual assets, then step into a man's world and be reckoned with sans the standard disguise and props. Otherwise, just accept that it is women that decide how they will present themselves and don't skirt the responsibility by saying it's what men want. Woman up.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    July 9, 2013 2:50 p.m.

    Mike, I think you're the one who doesn't understand. If a person can perform the same job for $25 that you charge $250 to do, there are only three possibilities:
    1. Your product isn't significantly better than the other person's.
    2. Your overhead is too high.
    3. You're being greedy.
    I own a business - our primary competitors are cheap Chinese knock-offs. I can't compete with them on price. So how do I stay in business? Because my product (and everything attached to it, like customer service) is so superior that my customers will pay my higher prices.

    Now back to the matter at hand: I agree that women are objectified. That said, women need to admit their own role in their own objectification. If you don't want to be seen as nothing but a collection of body parts, don't dress like a collection of body parts. That goes for you too, LDS girls. Modesty doesn't just mean covering your shoulders...if your shirt's so tight that I can see every hair follicle through it, it's not modest.

  • byufootballrocks Herndon, VA
    July 9, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    I'd like to thank this author - this perfect article ought to be sent to every media outlet, social magazine, web sites, television show, commercial studio, billboard company, advertising agency, you name it. What is under attack is the very souls of our sisters, mothers, daughters, wives, friends, - every woman. And all for money, lust, popularity, and power.

    This is the truth - the modern-day assault on women. What a dead-on description this is of the current situation in our culture. Thank you again.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    July 9, 2013 2:04 p.m.

    @Mike Richards;

    Sounds to me like you're blaming the victim. Why not blame those who would pay that "pin money" you're so concerned about?

  • PLM Kaysville, UT
    July 9, 2013 1:39 p.m.

    A woman is a complex, intelligent, beautiful organism. The reach of her influence is immeasureable. Her love and loyalty are the strengths on which this great nation was built. She was placed on earth for her development and joy. The activities she chooses; family, charity, art and others are part of her growth and contribution to the world. If any organization whether political, societal or religious impedes her growth and happiness - those involved will be held accountable at the judgement.

    Encourage, protect and value the women in your life. You will benefit more than you contribute, for a woman knows how to give and sacrifice to bring joy to those she treasures.

  • vangroovin West Jordan, UT
    July 9, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    I appreciate there are still people out in the world who still have moral values. I'm grateful that this author points out the problems we face as a society. It's too bad that the world is so degrading and dehumanizing people in general. People have value and we need to defend it - we are all worth something of more value than anything this world can offer or buy. Let's not debase ourselves to a lower standard just because that is the current trend. Trends come and go. Standards should not be based on them or they too will come and go. Higher standards yield better behavior and better communities. We all want our children to have the best, why don't we as a society live for it and do the things we need to do to completely ensure the best for them? It's because the world is lustful and selfish that we have the problems we have today. It is way past time to turn it around.

  • Wu SLC, UT
    July 9, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    Does anyone else remember the City Creek Center "Make It Yours" ad campaign? The ads featured sexual imagery of immodestly-dressed women in seductive poses holding wine glasses. The hypocrisy of the Mormon church astounds. Not a day passes without an anti-porn message from the church, yet it had no problem using pornography to sell its multibillion-dollar megamall. I'm sure the Desnews won't publish this comment because the truth hurts and sometimes isn't faith-promoting.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    July 9, 2013 12:32 p.m.

    @ Blue,

    I think that I must have written something that you didn't understand.

    We all accept the fact that kids selling lemonade for ten cents don't have any business sense. We buy from them and tip them a dollar, not because their product is worth $1.10, but because we love children.

    When adults use that same logic to price a product and that same logic destroys an industry, who is to blame? People always buy the product that costs the least. They don't care whether the person providing that product will be in business next week or next year. They just want a bargain.

    Men who view "parts of bodies" just want a "bargain". They want to be pleased, no matter the true cost to the provider. They want something of great value for the lowest possible price.

    In our society, women are often caught in that trap. They want a little "pin money", so they sell something of great value for "pin money".

    Strong families are the first defense against that "selling". True worth has nothing to do with appearances or with "selling short".

    We are children of Deity. We all need to act like it.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 9, 2013 11:59 a.m.

    MIke, I am not really sure what your are with this. If a "Pro" can't differentiate their product enough from what the average joe can do... well yeah, their value is going to decrease. It has happened in many industries. Take travel. It used to be that we relied on travel agents to book our travel. No one is crying a river for all the closed travel agents because average people can now book their own travel on line. There simply was not enough value in what the travel agents were doing. Yes, a few good ones survived.... but those of modest value\talent... are gone.

    But what has that to do with the objectification of people. Are you contenting that if these people who objectify themselves were only making more money, problem solved? I don't think that is what you are saying. Yes, there are models on sites like Modelmayhem that work for almost nothing..... but there are people who show off more flesh for free, every day... outside of the industry.

    The problem is how to we value other people, and what for. "Looks" seems to be far to important as to judges someones today.

    July 9, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    Mike Richards,

    Pin money? Really? I'm almost 60 and that term hasn't been regularly used during my lifetime. Most younger readers probably don't even know what you're talking about.

    But then, I don't think you really know what you're talking about. "Women ... have allowed themselves to be abused"?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    July 9, 2013 11:04 a.m.

    I work in an industry that has been totally destroyed by people who have taken and then sold photos (weddings, athletic teams, dance groups) for "pin money". They needed an extra $25 or $50, so they sold something whose true cost was $250 or $500 at a loss. They drove out honest business owners who had to pay for a license, a studio, a receptionist, advertising, vehicle expense, cameras, film, and processing.

    Women have been abused, but they had allowed themselves to be abused. Some of them work for "pin money". Their spouse brings in the income. They just want a "little extra" to buy some of the things that fulfill their dreams.

    No person, man or woman, should ever be a "sex object". And, no person, man or woman, should ever decrease the "value" of goods or services just because they want a little "pin money".

    Fairness requires that each of us look carefully and determine whether we are part of the problem. We need to know whether we "sell" ourselves for "pin money".

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    July 9, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    I'm sure this was published with good intentions, but as long as you support policies that give women lesser pay for equal work while policing their reproductive lives, this is nothing but crocodile tears.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    July 9, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    Then let's empower women to own their own sexuality by bringing sex out into the light as a topic of healthy discussion. We also need to wrest it from the clutch of old clerics who seek to continue to subjugate women.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 9, 2013 6:56 a.m.

    I don't disagree with many of the thoughts in this opinion..... but the author's point of view taints her own vision. It is pointed out by her comment "Even mannequins are sexist, the boy figures shown in work-worthy or athletic poses. "

    Athletic poses? What does she mean by this.... posing like catching a football, or swinging a racquet? Perhaps in full run? Does she not realize this is just the mirror image of what she is claiming about the objectification of women. If a male'a athletic shape is emphasized..... it is good. If a female is likewise positioned.... it is not?

    Boys/Men are increasingly becoming subject of the same issues women are. Men are becoming equally obsessed with making sure they have the "look". But the truth is most men and boys aren't athletes. THey may be good at math, cook, write, or just participate in activities that don't give them chiseled abs. What man really needs to have a P90x body to be a good father?

    As a society, be are becoming more obsessed by those things superficial, male and female alike.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2013 5:05 a.m.

    Yes, the objectification of women is wrong. Women must be seen as whole and autonomous individuals, not just a collection of parts.

    Please take note that when you view women as little more than a uterus you're also objectifying them, denying their wholeness, and denying their autonomy.

    Both types of objectifying attitudes about women derive from a common belief that women are primarily defined by their capacity for reproduction, and not by their intelligence, heart and ambition. Both types of sexism are equally wrong.