Failure to act on immigration has consequences we cannot afford

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  • The STAR Forum Coalville, UT
    July 5, 2013 5:25 p.m.

    Dave Ure is a good man, that is very principled, but also pragmatic. We cannot deport 11 million. We cannot simply 'grant amnesty" either. There is a solution to this, and it doesn't compromise principles, either. We can allow people to live and work here, and participate in our system without giving them the ability to vote. Our problem is not with immigrants, but with entitlements. We must END THE WELFARE STATE, the nanny state, whatever you want to call it. But until we close off the spigot of money being given to citizens and non-citizens in America, immigration reform will be the least of our worries. End welfare from the taxpayers. Encourage assistance from charities, churches, and other non-profit organizations. We are good people. Freedom can win!

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    July 1, 2013 10:24 p.m.

    @The Hammer: "How do you find illegals?"

    Who wants to find them? But if it's important, enforce E-Verify. Illegals come to the US for work. If there's no work they will deport, go home.... and stop coming.

    @red state pride: "I will be the first to admit that immigration law, enforcement etc is the responsibility of the Federal Government and not the states."

    You and Obama are making a big mistake. Immigration policy is the responsibility of the federal government as spelled out in the Constitution. But there is no reason why enforcement cannot be delegated to the states.

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    July 1, 2013 10:08 p.m.

    "Our immigration system is a joke and a travesty."

    The joke and travesty is failure to enforce our current immigration laws.

    "Guest workers like those in my own dairy industry are willing to do jobs most native born Americans will not do."

    Pay a descent wage and you'll get all the American born help you need.

  • anon46545 Dallas, TX
    July 1, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    Reality 9: Study after study has PROVEN that the "skilled labor shortage" is a FALSEHOOD. This is deliberate corporate propaganda to advance access to cheaper foreign labor as our nation US faces high and sustained unemployment, falling wages and an abundance of citizens with the skills, education and intelligence for every available job.

    Wages have not risen since the 1990s, 2 million engineers remain unemployed or underemployed, age discrimination is rampant and widespread, citizens pursing Engineering PhDs has dropped 23% in just 10 years ago, half our nation's STEM graduates are unable to find STEM work and 70% of citizens with STEM degrees have now left their professions.

    While US corporations stand to profit $7,600,000,000 per year from this gambit, the nation's middle-class can expect rising unemployment and falling wages. Hundreds of thousands will soon expect to train foreign replacements and clean-out their desks.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 1, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    @Fitness Freak
    "the rest of us can....well....PAY the costs."

    The non-partisan CBO estimates the Senate's immigration reform bill will reduce the deficit by around 100 billion dollars the next 10 years. After Republicans questioned the use of 10 years (the standard CBO number) for a bill that doesn't legalize citizens for 13 years they ran the numbers on the following 10 years and found it reduces the deficit an additional 500 billion when counting 20 years.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    July 1, 2013 12:45 a.m.

    @The Hammer

    The notion that the current laws are not enforceable is false. Illegals may be found at the DMV, in the course of routine traffic stops, surprise raids... all sorts of ways.

    The "devastating to illegal immigration families" line is intended to make Americans feel guilty about enforcing the law. Deportation is not cruel nor unusual punishment. In fact, it is not punishment at all. Disappointing, maybe. Inconvenient, maybe. But not "inhumane."

    The "pride" and "contempt for these Hispanics" accusations amount to a false insinuation that innocent Americans have done something wrong -- not illegal aliens -- and that those Americans are racist, too.

    The notion of "only come here for a better life" is nothing less than a rationalization for breaking the law. Shoplifters shoplift and bank robbers rob banks for a better life. That doesn't make it okay.

    And why not help your own community? And why not show illegal aliens that breaking the law is NOT the way to freedom?


    "...some who have been here for 30 years..." That's 30 years of illegality, dishonesty and, probably, teaching the next generation to be the same way. Deportation as a matter of policy, is RIGHT.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    June 30, 2013 9:00 p.m.

    Good one Mountanman.

    Let me try.

    If you live in a country that hates abortion but limits birth control might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

    If you jump into a trillion dollar war by mistake might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

    If you run a deficit but wont agree to a 10 to 1 spending cuts to tax increases might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

    If you think a Palin/Bachmann ticket is the key to our future might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

    If you think the earth is only 6000 years old might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

    If you think that we should deport 11 million people, some who have been here for 30 years might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

    I see what you mean

  • VickieB SLC, UT
    June 30, 2013 8:48 p.m.


    If your in agriculture, use our current visas. If not, pay a better wage. Just because they work for less money doesn't give you a right to hire them.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    June 30, 2013 8:45 p.m.

    "outlowd" I don't know what type of business you're in, but I would bet that it is one where you have to compete with other businesses that hire illegal trespassers. This obviously gives them an unfair advantage.
    YOU are the one doing the right thing by NOT breaking the law employing illegal aliens.

    Just think, if we had ANY sort of enforcement mechanism being used the way it always should have been you could be competing on fair terms with others in your industry!

    The answer to lawbreaking employers is not to join them, but to fight against their practices.

    Back in the "olden days" people obeyed the laws, even the ones they didn't like; and if they got caught they were made to pay a price and made an example of.
    Employers of illegal trespassers have no such fear. Why should they?

    BTW - the "new" amnesty bill also contains amnesty for the illegal hiring practices they have heretofore committed!

  • outlowd Salt Lake City, UT
    June 30, 2013 6:34 p.m.

    There is so much misinformation on both sides of this issue, it is hard to tell who benefits from action on immigration and for that matter who benefits from inaction.
    I stand to benefit from some kind of action. There are folks I would like to put to work who are denied that possibility by the current laws. I can't hire the people who will actually DO the jobs and show up because they are not allowed to take those jobs.
    The anti-immigrant crowd likes to rail that 'there are no jobs that legal residents won't do'. I'm calling 'male bovine excrement'! They have obviously not been put in a situation where deadlines are not met because personnel can't be found willing to do the work.
    So we continue, with our heads in the sand, denying fathers the right to feed their families and instead wasting our tax dollars to feed them ourselves via welfare and food stamp programs.
    Stop with the denial already! Do something, even if it makes people mad, do the right thing.

  • spicey saltlakecity, UT
    June 30, 2013 4:22 p.m.

    How do we find illegals? Are you serious?

  • VickieB SLC, UT
    June 30, 2013 4:00 p.m.

    The Senate bill uses the social security trust fund to pay for their no enforcement bill. I think American taxpayers have paid enough.

    The Senate bill benefits no one except business and the people here illegally. It doesn't solve our problem of lack of enforcement.

  • red state pride Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 30, 2013 2:09 p.m.

    I will be the first to admit that immigration law, enforcement etc is the responsibility of the Federal Government and not the states. The problem we have in this country is that the Federal Government has usurped or otherwise taken responsibility for so many things it has no business doing (e.g healthcare, student loans, free breakfast and lunch programs at schools, and on and on). Consequently we have a Federal Government that is incapable of performing it's basic responsibilities well (like immigration). We can't even win wars in third world basket case countries but we're supposed to trust the legislature to get this right. The Senate couldn't even pass a bill that anyone bothered to read (like the ACA) and was needless to say loaded down with pork.
    I agree with Mr Ure that we need to do something. Why can't we do it incrementally though with easy to understand and implement policies? Why do we need one more 1200 page bill we have to pass to find out what's in it?

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    June 30, 2013 1:53 p.m.

    The Senate proved to the LEGAL American public who they really represent. Unfortunately for us, its NOT legal U.S. citizens. Unethical/illegal companies are "good to go" as far as Senators are concerned, the rest of us can....well....PAY the costs.

    Smarmy employers (including high-tech companies)have learned the last 2-3 yrs that its much cheaper to send off a small "donation" check (read bribe)to Senators than to actually pay a decent wage.

    The costs of this immigration giveaway are tremendous. They, long-term, will make Obamacare look like chump change.

    There is absolutely nothing in the "new" bill that even purports to guarantee an end to illegal labor.

    This whole nonsensical mess is caused simply because immigration laws don't get enforced!

    BTW - there's absolutely no reason to believe they BEGIN to be enforced either!

  • The Hammer lehi, utah
    June 30, 2013 1:29 p.m.

    The belief that the current laws on the books are enforceable is not reality! How do you find illegals? Thats the problem we have now because they are not easy (ask a border agent) We could pass E-verify and Biometrics and you would find many of them, but Democrats and some Republicans will not pass E-verify unless there is "amnesty" for Dreamers, and at least a mechanism for people to come clean before the law that is not to devastating to illegal immigrant families.

    So what do we do? Continue as is with no enforcement because we don't have the tools? Or do we pass the tools in this bill (E-verify, Biometrics, more border agents) and at the same time relax our pride and contempt for these Hispanics (whom for the most part have only come here to find jobs to provide for their families) and welcome them in and ask them to join us in making American great? Lets get off of our computer chairs and try and help their community out and show them how true Americans enjoy freedom.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    June 30, 2013 8:00 a.m.

    If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but not for being in the country illegally might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

    If you have to get your parents permission to go on a field trip or take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion ... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

    If you have to show identification to board an airplane, cash a check, buy liquor or check out a library book, but not to vote who runs the government ... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiot.

    If your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more ... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

    If hard work and success are met with higher taxes and more government intrusion, while not working is rewarded with EBT cards, WIC checks, Medicaid, subsidized housing and free cell phones ... you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    June 30, 2013 6:56 a.m.

    Reality 4: It is incumbent upon public servants to uphold their OATHS of office to uphold the Constutition and the rule of law -- regardless of political party.

    Reality 5: "Compromise" is a rationalization by which unscrupulous men do unacceptably bad things. One is supposed to compromise on procedure -- not on principle.

    Reality 6: The notion of Amnesty vs. "doing nothing" is a false dichotomy. There also is the option of actually holding illegal aliens accountable for their actions and of actually enforcing the law for a change.

    Reality 7: Standing on correct principle is NOT a self-centered, derelict act, contrary to the author's subtle insinuations.

    Reality 8: Endorsing the Gang of Eight bill is NOT the only option available to the House. The House could instead choose to do what is right. It could even propose a "comprehensive immigration reform" bill that models Mexico's immigration policy. House members would at once be doing what is right for the country and ensuring landslide re-elections for themselves. Or it could reject the Gang of Eight bill for the shameful sellout of America that it is and instead uphold existing U.S. immigration law.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    June 30, 2013 6:55 a.m.

    Reality 1: Like so many others, Mr. Ure sidesteps the real problem, which is lack of enforcement of EXISTING immigration law. This is no accident, as enforcement is precisely what many in Utah do NOT want. There is too much at stake -- such as enhanced profits made possible by the availability of cheap, illegal-alien labor, both current and future.

    Reality 2: The nation does not suffer a labor shortage, at any level. The cry of "labor shortage" is a cunning ploy by which greedy businessmen press for -- and obtain, by instruments such as the Gang of Eight bill -- a veritable FLOOD of foreign labor both legal and illegal, which enables them to AVOID hiring Americans and paying them a fair wage. Americans WILL do the job and do it well IF offered a FAIR wage. But today's greedy businessmen do not want to pay their fellow Americans a fair wage.

    Reality 3: "Perfection" is not needed. All that really is needed is accountability, earnest enforcement, meaningful penalty, and a willingness to deport, or in other words, defend the nation, as so many of our forebears have done. Illegal aliens currently here would then largely deport themselves.

    June 30, 2013 6:41 a.m.

    Why do we need new legislation? There are already laws that aren't being enforced. The executive branch can authorize its officers to administer the law within the laws already in place.

  • Edgar Samaria, ID
    June 30, 2013 6:25 a.m.

    Excellent letter.

    "..House members to be fully engaged, fully part of the process, and fully prepared to make the bill better and then to make reasonable compromise."

    Isn't that just simply the process of legislating envisioned by the Founding Fathers? When we all decide to elect responsible adults to the Congress again - from both sides of the aisle - we might get some work done that will benefit the nation as a whole. May I suggest that David Ure might be one of those responsible adults? With wisdom such as that displayed in this letter, it certainly seems like he's miles ahead of the current representation from the great state of Utah.