I am committed to doing all that I can to insure that tea party darling Mike Lee
is a one term Senator. He is a tea party obstructionist, thus part of the
problem, not the solution.
@bandersenSaint George, UTI have elderly parents who are the
one you wish to throw under the bus.I have Uncles, Aunts and cousins - who
are likewise those you "loathe" and want to seen trampled under foot.They all worked for 50-60 years, they all deserve their
"welfare".I retire in less than 10 years,Have worked
everyday since I was 14 [with the exception of 2 years "working" for the
Lord as a Missionary...which I paid for myself.]I look forward to my
"Welfare" you wish to take aaway.Why don't you focus on
"Corporate Welfare".You know - take from the poor, and give to the
Rich campaign contributors -- or Gadianton Robbers as I like to refer to
them.or are you one of those who thinks "Corporations" are People,
and deserve Citizens Rights?But Republicans would rather save and
protect "Corporations", their bread and butter, rather than REAL
people....per the Constitution.
LDS Liberal: I said Welfare. The services you mentioned are a miniscule part of
the 'services' government renders. I have no problem with states and
local government getting together and deciding issues such as you mentioned.
You didn't even address my main contention, which was the absolute failure
of the War on poverty that was supposed to end poverty (that was 50 years ago).
Did it end it? NO? Did it help all those people get out of poverty? NO? Was
the taxpayers money spent wisely? NO? Would we be better off today if our
do-gooder politicians had stuck to the Constitution instead of confiscating
money from the taxpayers for ill-advised, ill-used, and wastful spending on
projects that didn't do anything but keep them in poverty? Yes! Every
human yearns to create something for him/her self without government aid. Now,
we have a whole slew of 'do-gooders' wanting to do more of what has
failed. Throw in money spent on a military complex and Crony capitalism, and
you have a mess, which is what we got! Who can disagree?
bandersenSaint George, UTI'll send a copy of your comment
to victims of accidents and natural disasters.Silly me, I've been taught all my life that God expected US to do EVERYTHING we
could for ouselves 1st, and then trust and reply on his good grace and mercy for
the rest.From what you said, We don't need government
ambulances, paramedics, lifeflight helicopters, University medical research and
development, doctors, or police departments when all GOD has to do is some magic
tricks if we have enough faith. [I don't believe you.]
LDS Liberal: Just because you have delegated 'charity' to the
government, rather than to yourself is no reason to accuse me of selfishness.
I'm in good company. By any standard, the goodness shown by generations
past individually are far superior to what is being shown today. The war to end
poverty has only increased it exponentially. Anybody who contends that we are
more charitable today than when this 'foolish' war was implemented is
blind to reality. I actually believe that private individuals, filled with
charity, can change the world, something no government yet has never been able
to do. Eliminate everything that is not constitutional and the country would see
a resurgence never before witnessed in the history of the world, including
charitable giving. The difference between my view of the world and yours is
that I believe in the individual to make the world better, rather than
government. People have come to look on government as their
'religion' rather than God. God can do His work without Government
aid. Welfare should be ended. Take my words and write them down. One day the
truth unfold and you will have my words to treasure.
bandersen Saint George, UTWelfare should be eliminated!
It is time for the pseudo caretakers to be stripped of their uncharitable
hearts. The war to end poverty, implemented in the 1960s, has not only been a
miserable failure, it was the most uncharitable act in American History, thrown
together by politicians and constituents that didn't want to be charitable
anymore and delegated their selfishness to the federal government. Welfare
should be ended. Charity would take over and give dignity to the giver and
receiver once again! Wake-up America.8:16 p.m. June 28, 2013===========I've got to cut, paste and save this as the most
hard-hearted, stiffnecked, and selfish comment I've read in the years
I've been reading the DesNews.to which - the only thanks I can
offer is for your honesty.
@ one old man why are you so reflexively anti-Republican? How do you accuse
Republicans of being motivated by greed and corruption when they voted against a
monstrous, pork filled Farm bill? Are you in favor of corporate welfare now?
Because that's all the farm bill is. You're either unprincipled and
you attack Republicans on every issue or you are in favor of corporate welfare.
Which is it?
to 'redshirt' "it is the GOP that is on a course for
self destruction. If they followed the advice of the Tea Party, they would have
a better chance."How!? "You and the liberals out
there fail to recognize that more people identify themselves as Conservative
than Moderate or Liberal."I'm an independent & really
like the Modern Whig party.
Corruption, Greed, Lack of Common Sense = GOP
I guess Emperor Kennedy's recent decision gave the editorial board of the
DN free reign to show their true colors. I didn't understand the theme of
this editorial at all. Republicans voted against the bill and they are "all
or nothing" types but the Democrats who voted against it are apparently
"go along get along types". Is that how it works in our kleptocracy
circa 2013? I guess it's not officially a kleptocracy since we're just
stealing fictitious money that the Treasury prints and the Federal Reserve
transfers to the accounts payable side of it's ledger but why do we even
need a farm bill? Commodity prices are as high as they've been since the
early 1970's. Farmers are living lavish and I'm paying 3.00 for a loaf
of bread. So what's going on here? Why do we even need a Dept of Pork
(errrr Agriculture)? That's right- for the free lunch and breakfast
programs at public schools where 3/4 of the food goes into the garbage- but it
keeps the food producers fat and happy.
Welfare should be eliminated! It is time for the pseudo caretakers to be
stripped of their uncharitable hearts. The war to end poverty, implemented in
the 1960s, has not only been a miserable failure, it was the most uncharitable
act in American History, thrown together by politicians and constituents that
didn't want to be charitable anymore and delegated their selfishness to the
federal government. Welfare should be ended. Charity would take over and give
dignity to the giver and receiver once again! Wake-up America.
No kidding. There is also an historic opportunity to reform spending including
the sacred cow of entitlements that isn't getting done because of this
conservative clique who actually think they are accomplishing something by
scuttling bills that have 80% of what they want in it. Instead they are letting
the opportunity slip away and are ending up with 0% of what they want.
to LDS Liberal earlier today You forgot the most important choice;
Coke or Pepsi!?
It is amazing that so our country could exist our founding fathers could
compromise over representation in the government, slavery and the slave trade
but our congress today can't compromise over a year budget, student loan
interest rates or food stamps...
Amen to this piece and to Twin Lights' comment.The Founders of
this nation had to swallow their pride and overcome immense differences,
including huge issues like slavery. And by finding common ground they came up
with the greatest political document in history. In today's political world
hostility and my way or the highway attitude make compromise nearly
impossible.The country needs another Ronald Reagan. Sadly though,
he'd be labeled a Rino by many people who routinely invoke his name.
RedShirtI agree with you on "Kent C. DeForrest"s rant about
wanting people he disagrees with locked up in the attic where they belong. That was actually pretty tame compared to his usual hatred for his
opposition. On another thread he said he couldn't wait till the day when
the TeaParty people totally cease to EXIST. I don't know how
he's going to do that. Gas chambers or something? Cause last time I
checked this was still a free country, and people were free to express opinions
like those expressed by "TeaParty People" without threats of
extermination. And as long as we are free.. there will always be SOME people
with differing points of view (like the TeaParty people).
OH NO!!! We missed an opportunity... what WILL we do?
The gold crash will take the remaining steam out of the tea party kettle.
"Ideological purity trumped common sense, and now, instead of getting half a
loaf, the conservatives end up getting nothing at all."This
sentence could be the clumsy bumper sticker for this current GOP incarnation.
I could feel better about you if you regretted the opportunity to cut subsidies
to agribusiness as much as you regretted the opportunity to cut food stamps.
To "Kent C. DeForrest" simple. It is called the civil rights. We have
right to associate with whoever we want. Apparently more people choose to be
unaffiliated than want to Republicans.As for the Tea Party, thanks
to them, those that are registered Republicans have been showing up to the
caucus meetings in huge numbers. Just look at the last election. There were a
lot of people that showed up in an effort to get rid of Orrin or to support more
conservative canidates.Why do you hate the Republicans so much?
Bush paved the way for Obama. Both had the same policies, the only difference
was the magnitude.I thought that the Democrats loved everybody, why
would somebody who loves all want to lock their opposition in the closet?
I agree with the opinion about the farm bill. I wish you had left Reagan out of
it. I think that we remember him for the Amnesty bill, the deaths of marines in
Lebonon, deals with the Ayatolla, and huge budget deficits.
Re:MikeRichards"how many of those people should learn to work
for their food"Many Americans believe that the majority of SNAP
(foodstamp) benefits go towards people who could be working. In fact, more than
half of SNAP recipients are children or the elderly. For the remaining
working-age individuals, many of them are currently employed. At least 40% of
all SNAP beneficiaries live in a household with earningsRecent
studies show that 49% of all SNAP participants are children (age 18 or younger),
with almost two-thirds of SNAP children living in single-parent households. In
total, 76% of SNAP benefits go towards households with children, 16% go to
households with disabled persons, and 9% go to households with senior
citizens.In 2010, the average SNAP client received a monthly benefit
of $133.79, and the average household received $289.61 monthly.
RedS:Please explain why more people in Utah are unaffiliated than
are Republican. The Utah GOP is already about as far right as any state
Republican apparatus. Obviously the Tea Party is unappealing to a majority of
Utahns, even more unappealing to a majority of Americans. The sooner we lock it
back in the attic, where it belongs, the better.
To "Pendergast" actually, it is the GOP that is on a course for self
destruction. If they followed the advice of the Tea Party, they would have a
better chance. You and the liberals out there fail to recognize that more
people identify themselves as Conservative than Moderate or Liberal. The Tea
Party is a conservative organization, while the GOP is a Progressive controlled
group. The GOP leadership has many of the same ideas and goals as the
Democrats, the only difference is how fast they implement their ideas.To "LDS Liberal" ironic that you would crucify the doctrine of the
Church that you claim membership in. The LDS church has taught that it is
"All or Nothing" "Black or White" "My way or the
highway." Are you saying that you oppose Church doctrine?Why do
you believe that it is best for man to be subjugated under
socialism/liberalism/progressivism than to be free under
Wonder why gop not willing to compromise...look no further than the oval office.
Look no further than Harry Reid and friends. Libs have imposed the most
socially and fiscally left approach to government seen in modern memory. It is
so convenient to blame gop. Take off the blinders boys and girls and look left
for a change.....oops, no way the left is going to budge from their far left
agenda. No chance in a million years. These power-hungry lefties are staying
way out in left field.
All or NothingBlack or WhiteMy way or the highway;Just
another form of - Extremism.Personally, I'm fine with the
GOP consistently getting NOTHING - [although deep in my heart I know
it's not healthy for society].It's SO ironic that
Conservative idolize Saint Ronald Reagan, but they would throw him out,
and publically crucify him if he were alive today.
Conservatives are always missing "Opportunities".I think
it's possibly partly because Conservatives try not to be driven by the
Progressive Mantra... "Never let a good crisis go to waste"...
driven.They get into that mind set too... just not as much as Rahm
Emanuel, Barack Obama, Al Sharpton, etc."Opportunistic"
politicians bug me. So IF Conservatives MISS an Opportunity now and then
because they stood on principle, or didn't want to do whatever it takes to
not let the opportunity/crisis go to waste... That doesn't bother me too
much.I have no problem missing an "Opportunity". It all
depends on WHY they missed that Opportunity. IF it was on principle...
I'm OK. If it was just stupidity... hmmm... not so OK.
"..."I'd learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom
got everything you asked for. If you got 75 or 80 percent of what you were
asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and thats what I
told these radical conservatives who never got used to it."..."."...When Ronald Reagan wrote these words in his autobiography,
"An American Life," he could have been speaking directly to many of the
radical conservatives in todays Congress, who, sadly, still cant get used to
it....".Thank you DN, for going where most, in the Republican
Party, refuse to go...Ideological purity has trumped common sense.
The Republican congress has zero interest in governing, only in making points to
buttress their ideological purity.
Food stamp cuts, in this economy? With this many people out of work? We needed
food stamps expanded, not cut.
to Craig ClarkIt all depends on what kind of pie. I prefer Pecan.
When you keep holding out for the whole pie and keep walking away without even a
slice, you should learn that ideological purity comes at a heavy price.
The LDS church has major and extensive farming interests in the U.S. However,
not all farming benefits from subsidies. At every turn, the
Republican Party seems determined to kill itself off. The farming bill was
bi-partisan, and expected to pass, until extremist Republicans were able to
attach a "poison-pill" amendment, resulting in no Democratic votes.
House Republicans then couldn't garner enough votes to pass the bill
without the Democrats, even though they had a majority. The
Constitution and founding of this Country would never have come to pass if the
current crop of Republicans were in power back then.
to BadgerbadgerWhere recently do things get bogged down? 1) Tea
party conservatives in the house or 2) antiquated lifelong GOP members in the
Senate (Orrin, McCain, etc...).That said, the GOP under Reagan was
socially moderate and fiscally conservative. Today, it is fiscally
insane and socially repressed. Thanks to the Tea Party along w/ Ralph Reed and
Just more leftist whining when they don't get what they want. Great spin though, making it look like the conservatives missed out. But the
song is so old, no one is buying it.
Duh. But I hope they keep behaving as spoiled children. The sooner they vanish
from the political landscape, the better.
We can continue to slap a band-aid on a surting artery and then tell ourselves
that we "fixed" the problem. There are many things that needed to be
fixed in the farm bill. Democrats wanted to put another band-aid on the bill.
They refused to face the real problems and now they mock the Republicans for not
accepting their band-aid approach.There comes a time when things
must stop completely and be entirely reviewed. The goal must be re-evaluated.
The results must be examined. The question that should be asked is whether
there should even be a farm bill. Democrats look only at the voters who get
government aid when they should be asking themselves how many of those people
should learn to work for their food. We do not have the resources to feed the
ablebodied who are too lazy to work for their own food and we should never pay
farmers to NOT grow crops.Its time to review the entire program. We
don't need band-aids we need tourniquets
Awesome editorial. Reagan is considered the patron saint of the modern
conservative movement but the most radical have not learned that he was able to
accomplish much of his agenda via compromise. Also, that he built a big tent
Republican party. Too many today want a (very) small tent of party purists.
One that will have increasingly less influence.
I agree with the editorial. Too many of our legislators in D.C. say
"no" rather than "let's talk" whenever something they
don't like is before them. It's rigid and simplistic in a political
landscape full of gray rather than black and white. Reagan knew that and he is
regarded one of our best presidents. He knew how to make deals rather than just
dig in and repeat "no" over and over.