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  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 1, 2013 8:03 a.m.

    To "ugottabkidn" you said that "Costs for our healthcare are more than double than the rest of the world and yet we are way down the list for outcomes." Thanks to the ACA our health insurance costs are going to increase, making it so that we pay even more for the same outcome.

    If the goal of the ACA was to lower costs and improve outcomes, doesn't that mean that the ACA is a failure? If the ACA is a failure using its own goals as the metric, shouldn't we scrap it and start over?

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    June 29, 2013 1:47 p.m.

    OK regressives. We will scrap all attempts to improve our healthcare system at the expense of all for the benefit of insurance companies and corporate healthcare organizations who make the world go round. If it is good for the CEO then it's great for the Swiss economy. Costs for our healthcare are more than double than the rest of the world and yet we are way down the list for outcomes. This trickle down system has never worked in the history of the world but you cling to it like babes to their mamas in the woods. The CEO of your insurance company has yet taken your temperature and you throw our money at him like he is the last hope on earth. If your neighbor is sick then too bad he can't afford to get a CT scan. He should have been a CEO.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    June 29, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    I could have solved the healthcare issues in this country, with about 30 pages of legislation, not 2000+. It wouldn't have raised taxes. It would have been market driven, not insurance driven, and would have included all the conservative ideas and principles you despise and have heard through these four years of debate, but choose to ignore!

    So that's your solution? A bumper sticker. That is why the tea party is irrelevant.
    Let me guess tort reform and free market across state lines. Yawn, that's been exposed as the usual faulty ideas of radio shows performed by drop out's.

    I'm sorry you didn't get your gift bag from Obama.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    June 28, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    Who's contesting the election? Obama promised enough freebies, that he was able to garner the majority of low-information voters he needed to capture the election! No contest! "Healthcare or Insurance system hanging by a thread"? Now I know why the lefty's are such experts about tin-foil hats. They are manic, hypochondriacs, who make up conspiracies about anything.
    Nobody claimed our healthcare was perfect or couldn't use some tweaking, but there certainly wasn't an emergency, that needed to be addressed right in the middle of a major recession. Much about our healthcare is the envy of the world! It wasn't in a critical stage of collapse! There were absolutely bigger issues to deal with.
    I could have solved the healthcare issues in this country, with about 30 pages of legislation, not 2000+. It wouldn't have raised taxes. It would have been market driven, not insurance driven, and would have included all the conservative ideas and principles you despise and have heard through these four years of debate, but choose to ignore! And please stop spreading the obama lie number 187. Medical costs haven't gone down at all, at best they've risen slower.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2013 2:00 p.m.

    Kent: The right can't hear you...they are still contesting the results of the election in November! The House has voted 37 times to repeal Obamacare and not a single bill to replace it has been proposed. One would think our system of healthcare insurance was just hunky dory rather than hanging on by a thread. Ha-Ha can turn his sarcasm back on when he proposes the solution to the crisis that Obamacare was passed to prevent and Two Bits will better understand it when he asks if premiums have gone down for anyone...the CBO says medical costs have gone down over the past two fiscal years, but premiums have gone up. Wouldn't that suggest an increase in profits for health insurers?

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    June 28, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    Blaine? Come on, you really don't know where the money is going to come from to cover all these liberal, feel-good, arbitrary handout programs, like obamacare? Just like electricity for electric cars, and just like we are going to create a strong economy and acceptable unemployment, by increasing taxes and regulation - It's all going to happen by magic! Why are you asking or raising such ridicules issues? Sarcasm off!

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    June 28, 2013 9:09 a.m.


    My friends in Germany would never trade their health-care system for ours. It provides excellent care (too much in some cases) and costs half what ours does.

  • timpClimber Provo, UT
    June 28, 2013 6:46 a.m.

    If such government controlled health care is so wonderful why do so many Europeans if they can afford it opt out and buy care from the few private doctors still in practice? Or why are so many of our congressmen and federal employees retiring now so they can keep their health care perks aqnd not join the ACA? And finally why are so many unions seeking exemptions from this wonderful program? All these signs are like rats escaping from a sinking ship.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    June 27, 2013 3:31 p.m.

    2 bits, you just proved what many of us have long suspected. Making comments based on faulty information -- perhaps deliberately faulty (lies?) -- without first checking to see if they are accurate or truthful is kinda foolish, isn't it?

    Obama phones? No such thing.

    Here is what FactCheck has to say about it: "Q: Has the Obama administration started a program to use "taxpayer money" to give free cell phones to welfare recipients?

    A: No. Low-income households have been eligible for discounted telephone service for more than a decade. But the program is funded by telecom companies, not by taxes, and the president has nothing to do with it. "

    People who post without checking facts are not only being foolish, they are, in my opinion, being very unpatriotic as they deliberately or carelessly try to drive this country even farther apart.

    That is simply shameful.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    June 27, 2013 3:05 p.m.

    @2 bits -- Is there ANYBODY who didn't have their premiums go up dramatically BEFORE Obamacare began to be phased in? You have a short memory. Rising premiums have absolutely nothing to do with Obamacare and everything to do with the high cost of medical care. In FACT, news reports I've read have said the cost curve is beginning to go down. Of course that doesn't fit with the tea party preconceived mindset, so it will be disregarded by all who have their minds made up.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 27, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    ACA has been phased in over the past 3 years.... Has ANYBODY seen their insurance premiums go DOWN? Or the cost of Medical Care go DOWN? I haven't!

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 27, 2013 1:14 p.m.

    Passing up the "Obama Money" could be unwise. But I never received my "Obama Phone". What if it's the same with this program? What if the money never comes or is cut off in the future (due to another wave of sequestration or other unforeseen change)?

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2013 1:10 p.m.

    Utah, with its several insurance plans and HMOs, provides excellent care at a low cost. Insurance companies are not the problem, but they make a convenient straw man to vilify. Universal and affordable health care is far from us without basic reforms. Why is an MRI $1500 in the US and $150 in many other countries with no perceptible loss of quality? Why is a certain operation three times more expensive on the East Coast or Texas than it is in Utah, again with no loss of quality? These are bipartisan issues that are not solved by simplistic name calling.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    June 27, 2013 1:08 p.m.


    Who said anything about perfectly? You call what we now have perfection? Then give us a workable alternative. Romney did, but his party deserted him because it hates Obama so much. Come on, lay your grand conservative health-care plan out on the table. I'm waiting.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    June 27, 2013 12:36 p.m.

    To "Roland Kayser" that guess has been thrown out. That defict reduction was when the cost for the ACA was at $850 billion, and a deficit reduction of $200 billion. The latest CBO estimates put it at $1.7 Trillion, that means either you pay more in taxes or we go into debt by another trillion thanks to Obamacare.

    To "pragmatistferlife" you realize that the drug companies and medical device companies will still make their profits, but now your care will cost more as the manufacturers pass those taxes along to you.

    To "Kent C. DeForrest" but the ACA isn't being implemented perfectly, and people are not doing as the government had planned. So, now what?

  • BRM Pleasant Grove, Utah
    June 27, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    Some people believe the CBO. Others believe Obama. We will find out who is right. The fact is that the ones who will benefit (those with preexisting conditions i.e. they are already sick) and those who will be subsidized will think that it is great. Young, healthy men will not sign up. I know. I used to sell health insurance. So the sick will sign up and the healthy will try to find a way out and the whole system will crash. You must have more healthy people paying in than those who are using the services or it will just not work.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    June 27, 2013 9:40 a.m.

    The court has told us the Obamacare is a tax. We all know that Social Security is a tax. We all know that Congress mixed the Social Security taxes that we've all paid with the general fund. We all know that there is no money to redeem those I.O.U.s. We all know that Obama will NOT honor his obligation to pay Social Security to those who were forced to pay the tax.

    Why would anyone think that Obamacare will not be used to fund anything and everything EXCEPT health care?

    Those who believe the CBO are foolish. They should study history and compare the predictions of the CBO against the facts, then they would see for themselves that nothing the CBO predicts ever happens.

    Obamacare is the biggest tax increase ever passed in the history of America. It has nothing to do with healthcare. It is just another Ponzi scheme that will fleece Americans. Anyone who tried to do the same thing in the private sector would be spending the rest of his life in prison.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    June 27, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    Here's a message to those who are fighting against the wisdom of ACA. You just don't -- or perhaps WON'T understand. Refusing to try to learn the truth about any subject is a form of willful ignorance.

    Willful ignorance is one of the worst tragedies in the human experience.

    If you will make an effort to learn some simple facts, that "liberal logic" will become clear and you just might end up slapping your forehead and exclaiming, "How could I have been so blind to miss seeing that?"

    Turn your radio off and do some real research.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    June 27, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    Cost should come down if the ACA is implemented cooperatively (get on board, Utah), because it will provide appropriate care at normal costs to those who under the current system are uninsured and are therefore receiving emergency care at exorbitant costs, which are passed along to those of us who pay insurance premiums.

    I find it hypocritical that the sky-is-falling conservatives who hate Obama and foam at the mouth over his version of Romneycare have yet to offer any serious ideas for dealing with the 50 million uninsured in America and the inadequate, late, and exorbitantly expensive care they are currently receiving. Their "turn health care over to the free market" mantra is the same as saying "Let them die."

    The first thing we ought to do with health care is divorce insurance from employment. That is a stupid corporate ploy from the post-World War II years that we have been saddled with for far too long. It's idiotic. If we're going to spread costs around for large groups of employees (call it corporate socialism, if you want), why not play the same game on a larger scale and include all Americans?

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    June 27, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    Re: "If we can . . . make health care a service provided to all citizens, we can cut costs."

    Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Grow government. No, EXPLODE government. Vastly extend its power and reach. Extend its beneficence to ever increasing numbers of people.

    To reduce costs?

    That's liberal logic for you.

    The only way to reduce costs under such a regime would be to adopt the Mexican model. In Mexico, everyone has an absolute, government-given right to health care. It's just that there's no health care to be given. Unless you know someone, are related to someone, or have a lot of money.

    There's the ACA model for America's future, in a nutshell.

    Hmmmmm. Come to think of it, that sounds a lot like Russia's -- or China's, or East Germany's, or Cuba's, or Venezuela's, or Bolivia's, or North Korea's, etc. -- past.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    June 27, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    Democrats don't seem to know that there is no money tree.

    They think the money trees grow in the back yards of certain people and that is why they are wealthy.

    For as long as they are in control, there will be no restraint on spending. They are in total denial of the problems they are creating.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    June 27, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    Taxes do increase under the ACA..on the beneficiaries of the law..drug companies medical device providers etc. The same people who have made astronomical profits the past 30 years without playing a significant economic role in the support of health care. Taxes will not go up on individual tax payers.

    Roland correctly points out that all states who are participating in the program have shown smaller than usual increases in health care premiums for 2014. The claim that premiums will sky rocket is simply not true.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    June 27, 2013 8:26 a.m.

    If we can remove the concept of 'insurance' entirely from health, and make health care a service provided to all citizens, we can cut costs.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 27, 2013 12:22 a.m.

    The CBO has calculated that Obamacare reduces the deficit. California, Oregon, and Washington have released preliminary price lists from their exchanges. Health policy experts are surprised at the costs. Surprised at how cheap they are. Cheaper, in fact, than many group policy.

    It is true that in Republican states, where legislators and governors have done everything in their power to make the act fail, costs will be higher. But that's not the law's fault.