Utah families should support S744

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  • spicey saltlakecity, UT
    June 30, 2013 4:26 p.m.

    Just let everybody in, problem solved.

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2013 8:11 p.m.

    I agree with those who argue that the bill is amnesty pure and simple. These people are economic refugees from corrupt and violent societies and many, not all, have brought that corruption and violence mentality with them as a group. They don't want to become American citizens, they are looking for a port in a political storm.

    Families being divided is a lie. When an illegal immigrant is deported, his or her whole family can return to their home country.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    June 26, 2013 5:47 p.m.

    Another way to cripple America.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    June 26, 2013 5:18 p.m.

    Dozens of studies have shown we graduate more stem workers each year than new jobs. Science magazine reports "Those who advocate increasing the supply of STEM talent should cool their ardor a little bit," says one of its authors, B. Lindsay Lowell, a demographer at Georgetown University in Washington, D.C. The supply has actually remained steady over the past 30 years, the researchers conclude from an analysis of six longitudinal surveys conducted by the U.S. government from 1972 to 2005".

    The H-1B visa is open to other fields also. Since their use is public knowledge, a look at their use in Orem might be wise. a director of international marketing at 53k, a project manager at 30k, eight law clerks at 27k. There are not high IQ people, but average workers taking these American jobs. You can't tell me they can't find qualified people in this fields.

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    June 26, 2013 3:31 p.m.

    These laws are a direct assault on American Citizens. We are being attacked. Lost jobs, stolen wages, unfair taxation, ruined neighborhoods, over crowed schools, higher crime rates and a drugged out nation. Yes this is an assault on American's.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 26, 2013 3:16 p.m.

    Want to stay as a family?


    We want your family to stay together.

    Go be a legal family in your homeland, like everyone else does

    Pretty simple concept really.

  • Mazin Salt Lake City, UT
    June 26, 2013 12:48 p.m.

    Rather than some maudlin story about families getting "ripped apart", perhaps Mr Hale could try to make an honest case based on economics, the rule of law, or even basic fairness.

    Do we really have a shortage of workers in this country? Will adding millions of mostly unskilled laborers and their families will somehow remedy high unemployment and a stagnant economy? And with Obamacare and growing entitlement spending, is it fair to taxpayers to have to cover the education, medical care and all the other social service costs that amnesty will entail?

    In short, unless you hang out with Mr. Hale at the Riverside Country Club, you should call your congressman today to voice your opposition to this bill.

    Mr Hale: Instead of trying to pull the wool over our eyes with sob stories, why don't you just be honest about what you're really after? Low-cost labor, subsidized by the taxpayer.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    June 26, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    Really. What is so bad about amnesty?

    Far worse in my estimation than allegedly greedy businesspeople seeking cheaper labor are gratuitously meanspirited and vindictive citizens talking nonsense and spreading lies against long overdue and much needed immigration reform.

    Why the fear?

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    June 26, 2013 3:26 a.m.

    This is about cheap labor, cunningly disguised as concern for families.

    The authors' arguments sidestep the fact that deportees are free to take their children with them -- thus keeping the families together. They are not "ripped" away from them.

    They refuse to admit that where there are complications, this is due to willful illegality on the part of one or more parties.

    They sidestep the fact that illegal aliens COULD choose to return to their home countries, live lives of honor there, and set good examples for their children.

    They falsely shift culpability, responsibility, and guilt for the consequences of such willful lawbreaking, from lawbreaker to society.

    They rationalize that rewarding lawbreakers with the very objective of their illegality -- namely, U.S. residency -- is not Amnesty, when of course it is.

    They falsely imply that America has a shortage of workers. The truth is that greedy business interests do not want to pay Americans a fair wage. They want to flood the nation with cheap, foreign labor so that they don't have to.

    If people are worried about helping the competition, they could push for fewer student visas and instead give the slots and scholarships to Americans.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    June 26, 2013 2:18 a.m.

    With H-1B, w visas, and merit visas, we are going to see 1.6 million more visa workers each year, added to the 3.2 visa workers we already bring in (2011).

    The bill is amnesty, it hurts the 20 million Americans looking for full time work. With 33 million in 10 years, and 46 in 20 years, you destroy our social security by flooding it with middle age low income workers. It's not about compassion or families, if it were, business would be trying to keep American families together, and criminals out of jail.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    June 26, 2013 2:17 a.m.

    It's amnesty. The 1,000 fine goes into a trust fund to help them get a green card. They come for jobs, and the bill allows them to stay and work. That's amnesty. You allow them to steal our identities, social security numbers, and commit perjury on i-9 forms, all felonies. That's amnesty.

    You give business amnesty for multiple felonies, you give churches, ethnic organizations and chambers of commerce amnesty for encouraging them here.

    The Hoeven,-Corker amendment was undergoing changes right up to the vote. The Senate voted without reading it.
    ICE officers are against it, it eliminates interior enforcement, The border and fence provisions are all at the discretion of Homeland security. They don't have to build one foot of fence. Stop lying to the people about enforcement, it's not coming.

    In addition the bill stops visa enforcement, and gives green cards to anyone who overstays their visa. (as long as they work for ten years). This is amnesty for the future.