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  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    June 22, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    The legislation now being considered in the Senate is a scam by every definition of the word. What it is is the Dems looking to control the vote which would make the Republican party irelevent and Repubs. trying to satisfy their cash cows ie business who are addicted to cheap labor.The CBO has stated that this bill will only reduce illegal immigration by 25%. In 2006 a law was passed requiring 700 miles of fence be built. 36 miles was completed then stopped.Now the fence is a new issue in this phony bill. Congress can find $30 billion for their increased security(maybe security) Obama can take a $100 million trip to Africa(to bad they won't keep him) but the White House closed tours. Who really believes that they will enforce any thing. The Country is a mess and all fingers point to greedy Pols who are more concerned about their own well being. The Country be (gol darned). Will that work moderator?

  • Cincinnatus Kearns, UT
    June 21, 2013 10:10 p.m.

    I don't think this is an ethnicity thing per se. But, Eric Samuelson is partly right. The focus on this debate IS the southern border. They are talking about securing the border with Mexico, not with Canada. They are not talking about building more walls and sending more patrols to the Canadian border. This is a southern border focused problem. There are some drips through the northern border, but a flood through the southern border.

    But why is it a Mexican border problem rather than a Canadian border problem?

    It's economic. Canada's economy is very similar to our own as well as their standard of living. They don't have a massive crime problem with drug gangs fighting it out in the streets, killing tens of thousands.

    Mexicans (and others from Central and South America) are looking for a better standard of living and a better life. Living in the shadows here is better in many cases than living a "normal" life south of the border.

    Throwing up a wall and manning it will certainly slow things down, but it won't stop them. People flow to where the better "economics" are.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    June 21, 2013 7:37 p.m.

    Sorry, 2 bits and Redshirt, but the entire 'border security' conversation is about the southern border. Watch the debate. Don't throw up smoke screens--this is entirely about blocking folks with the wrong ethnicity.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    June 21, 2013 3:39 p.m.

    Does this apply to Federal land?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 21, 2013 1:01 p.m.

    Eric Samuelsen,
    The Ethnicity-Card would make sense IF we were just doing it on our South border. But we're not. We also have border patrol on our North border and the coast guard on our coastlines, and ICE and INS agents in every state and every international airport.

    So trying to make this into an Ethnicity thing just doesn't fly.

    Illegal immigration applies to all ethnicity. That you see it as only a Hispanic issue kinda says something about YOUR thoughts on ethnicity.

    It's NOT "immigrants are only welcome if they're of the proper ethnicity"... it's "immigrants are only welcome if they're of the proper DOCUMENTATION". There's a difference.

    Does it matter if illegal immigration is a "huge economic plus" for our country? I question that, but so what if it is? If THEFT were a big economic plus for our country... should we just look the other way on theft?

    Tearing down the Berlin Wall did not give automatic citizenship to another country. They That wall divided a city. We have a different situation.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    June 21, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    To "Eric Samuelsen" your comparison of the border fences to the Berlin wall make as much sense as talking about how fast you can go riding a banana.

    The Berlin wall was meant to keep people in Berlin. The US border fence is designed to keep people out that don't belong here.

    If you want to tear down the fence, that is fine, as long as you put snipers along the border at 1/4 mile intervals or less and order them to shoot any person crossing into the US illegally.

    Issuing more green cards is not the problem. The problem is the bureaucracy involved in getting a work permit. It is the big government that is full of people who make careers out of building their empires at the expense of thse who they are to serve.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    June 21, 2013 12:33 p.m.

    When the Berlin was built, it reflected very badly on East German society. It sent, and reinforced, the message that people unhappy with their society could just leave (illegally). The wall we're building to our south sends an equally unhappy message--immigrants are only welcome if they're of the proper ethnicity.
    Forget border security. Forget higher walls, or drones, or acting as though we're at war with Mexico. Immigration is a huge economic plus for our country.
    Solutions are simple. Full immediate amnesty for everyone in this country illegally. A reasonable pathway to citizenship. And as Reagan said to Gorbachev, 'tear this wall down.' We can solve illegal immigration immediately, simply by issuing more green cards.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 21, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    I disagree that the Obama has done "nothing" to enforce border security. They have actually done a lot. The problem is... there is so much MORE they COULD do.

    I have a problem with their one_step_forward, two_steps_back, approach. They added border patrol, but they go to court to prevent local police from helping. They say they are serious about deporting people here illegally, but they fought AGAINST States in court that are in the line-of-fire and offered to help. It's just the duplicity that bugs me. But I have to admit that the Obama Administration does the cosmetic things (hiring people, saying they'll do it later, etc).

    I agree that we need to focus on enforcing the laws we currently have before we give amnesty to current offenders or pass NEW laws we also won't enforce (if somebody cries on TV). Enforcing law is a harsh thing. And America is not ready to get harsh on immigration offenders. People in politics and people in business have a soft heart for them (because they elect them, and they make them money)

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 21, 2013 11:46 a.m.

    It bothers me that the Feds went to COURT to prevent law enforcement like the Arizona StatePolice to even ASK or do anything if they suspect a person they are dealing with just crossed the border. I know they pretend it's a civil rights issue... but it seems like they are not very serious about detecting violators (IMO).

    Illegal_immigration fans pretend if you give police an inch... they will go all NAZI. Maybe police will just do their job.

    The SLC Chief Of Police bothers me even more... he places himself above the law and says he and his department won't enforce any laws the State or the Federal Government passes (relating to INS enforcement). That makes it look like SLC is a sanctuary for at least THIS type of illegal behavior. And if they protect THIS illegal behavior... what OTHER laws are they refusing to enforce?

    I'm glad I don't live in SLC. And I'm sure they're glad I don't live there (driving and fouling their air, etc).

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    June 21, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    Yesterday the demos. and some Repubs. decided to come up the claim that they will, at SOME future point, add more border patrol persons, and (they "promise")an array of sophisticated hardware. Not much improvement on the issue of illegal employers however, which means the problem will simply CONTINUE.

    Most of us who are hopeful that at some point laws will be enforced, aren't holding out much hope that the border security improvements will EVER materialize.

    They will most probably, fall victim to "budget cuts", or sequestration. Obama always has had tools to increase border security and deport illegal trespassers but he's obviously not done much, even in some cases, told border patrol to STOP enforcing laws.

    Its not too late to email Sen. Hatch, if you haven't already done so to urge him to vote down the immigration bill.

    The Senate is, once again, making an easy job difficult. They should just ask Obama to enforce the current law.

    There's absolutely nothing in the "new" immigration bill which will help average Americans.

    Lots of nice stuff for illegal trespassers and their employers however!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    June 21, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    Is it not an issue solely for the radical right in Arizona to decide?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 21, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    IMO it is a Federal Issue. It affects ALL boarders of the United States, so it's not a local/State jurisdiction. The law should be a Federal Law.

    But it's absurd to assume because it's a Federal Law that no local law enforcement can help enforce the law. This is the ONLY Federal Law I know of that the Feds prohibit local law enforcement from enforcing.

    Kidnapping and Bank Robbery are Federal Laws, the FBI automatically has jurisdiction in the investigation. But I've NEVER heard of the FBI insisting no local police respond to a bank robbery when reported, or a kidnapping when reported. And yet by LAW Arizona police are prohibited from even ASKING if a person is in the US illegally. And even if they find out they are... they aren't supposed to do anything about it. SLC's police chief vowed he won't enforce ANY Federal immigration law. Absurd!

    It's a Federal issue. Feds have the ultimate responsibility. But it's a crime that impacts local people and local law enforcement. We should not tie the hands of local law enforcement on this protected crime.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    June 21, 2013 7:57 a.m.

    Want to solve the illegal immigration problem? Make welfare as hard to get as a green card! See how simple that was?

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    June 21, 2013 5:42 a.m.

    "Ted Cruz has already drafted an amendment that would allow states to do what Arizona was attempting to do. That would make for bad policy..."

    And why would that make for bad policy, Deseret News? Why would it be "bad policy" to ensure, at the Federal voter registration level, that a registrant is in fact a citizen of this nation -- not a shill for some other nation -- and has a right to vote in it? Surely you realize it is not sufficient if they merely ATTEST that they are citizens. Many illegal aliens in this country commit perjury as a matter of course. It may not be politically correct to say that, but it is true, and everyone knows it.

  • VickieB SLC, UT
    June 21, 2013 3:49 a.m.

    Louisiana passed the same bill. It was a procedural mistake in Arizonas bill, and they explained to them how to apply.