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  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    June 23, 2013 12:55 a.m.

    Re: "what do you suppose is going to be the model t of personal air travel[?]

    Of course market forces will determine final winners/losers, but there are already some pretty good autogiro airframes out there, with a rotor spin-up capability, stubby wings that provide most of the lift at cruise, and the capability to slow rotor RPM at higher speeds to increase stability -- reducing lateral lift inequalities and eliminating retreating blade stall -- and decrease lift/drag.

    And, it won't be long before highly redundant, semi-autonomous digital flight-control and emergency-escape systems catch up.

    Such a system, permitting relatively safe, relatively inexpert, 200+ k. flight, manufactured in quantity and sold at minimal profit margins -- as was the Model T -- would revolutionize travel throughout the world.

    As did the Model T.

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 22, 2013 8:13 a.m.

    Yeah, wider seats, aisles, and better food would be nice but then prices would rise. I have flown commercial and military (jump seats/canvas backs and box lunches, some included my own parachute - unused).

    To me the bottom line is: leave on time, arrive on time. Get in, sit down, shut up, launch it and read a book, close your eyes and turn on your own music player.

    Unless the flight is transcontinental or oceanic forget the food and drinks. Just get the plane to the next runway in one piece. Let passengers purchase their own box lunch from vendors inside the security zone, if they want to munch.

    I would give up all the frills for bigger overhead storage and some under seat storage that would allow more carry-on and less waiting and loss at the baggage pick-up. Most flights are less than two to three hours. It is pathetic to have adults who can't just sit still in a seat and occupy their time for 150 minutes of less.

    It is transportation not entertainment.

  • SEY Sandy, UT
    June 22, 2013 7:44 a.m.

    Not until you show some evidence, Kalindra. Show me the stats. All the ones I've seen show that air fares have decreased dramatically over the past 5 or 6 decades.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 21, 2013 9:57 p.m.

    @ SEY: Be surprised then.

  • SEY Sandy, UT
    June 21, 2013 5:29 p.m.

    Are you people who claim prices haven't gone down made allowances for inflation? I'd be surprised if you did.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    June 21, 2013 4:45 p.m.

    I liked the post above that said when the airlines added more seats, did prices go down? The answer was NO. It is sort of like in pro sports when the your favorite franchise goes cheap and lets all the superstars go saying they can't afford them or whatever. They cut payroll but never has season tickets ever gone down.

  • Shimlau SAINT GEORGE, UT
    June 21, 2013 12:37 p.m.

    what do you suppose is going to be the model t of personal air travel. being a pilot, I can tell you that once in the air, the small plane is no harder to fly than a good car is to drive, however, the take off and landings can be really interesting, add a little cross wind, and it gets even more interesting. Also, when you have a problem in the air, you don't just pull over and take out your cell phone. there is more to it than that

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    June 21, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    Anybody else get tired of getting smacked by the service cart when you're in the aisle seats?

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    June 21, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    wider seats more reclining, it's called first class, with a higher $$$

  • SEY Sandy, UT
    June 21, 2013 10:32 a.m.

    procuradorfiscal: wow.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    June 21, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    Professor Davis is a socialist, who believes the solution to every problem lies in some department of a bloated, inefficient, ineffective Big Brother government.

    The problem with airlines is us. We permit them to enter into collusive, governmental "regulation" schemes that encourage them to rip us off, treat us like cattle, and provide them with anti-competitive top cover as they conspire to extend fewer and fewer services for more and more of our resources.

    So, not surprisingly, they do.

    Airlines are dead. They just don't know it yet. They've adopted the same deranged, short-sighted, government-sanctioned, anti-consumer tactics as all other communal, collective transportation schemes before them -- stagecoaches, trains, ships, buses, light rail, and "high-speed" rail -- and will suffer the same ignominious fate when the "Model T" of individual air travel comes out.

    They'll conspire with government to prevent the advances that will doom them, but Americans are so deathly sick of airlines, even bloated government won't be able to stop the flood.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 21, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    Airplanes used to have bigger seats and more space between the seats and aisles of sufficient size. Airlines argued if they were able to add seats, prices would go down - they never did, in fact prices have done nothing but go up.

    The author of this letter is telling us prices will increase again if we go back to what airplanes used to be - apparently we are danged if we do and danged if we don't.

    All the more reason to give real competition and build high speed rail.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    June 21, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    What we are seeing in airlines are the results of The Great American Entitlement Mentality that is infecting too many of us.

    I'm entitled to a comfortable seat, a good road to drive on, sewers that work, fire departments that fight fires, and on and on. But don't ask me to pay for them -- and certainly don't ask me to pay even more!

    Airlines, like so many other aspects of American government and business, needs to develop enough courage to stand up and say, "Okay, you want more comforts as you fly? Here they are. And here is the price of your ticket."

    The American public -- conservatives especially -- will throw a huge national tantrum, but it will quiet down after awhile if we ignore them as we would ignore a three-year old who doesn't want to take a nap.

  • SEY Sandy, UT
    June 21, 2013 6:49 a.m.

    Davis is a political scientist, not an economist. He apparently believes, like so many other political idealists, that economic principles come into existence by edict. What he seems to long for are the glory days of air travel when it was accessible only to a wealthier passenger class. Those days are long gone because of price deregulation. Air travel is more affordable than it was in those days, but the decreased level of comfort is the necessary trade-off. You can't have it both ways.