Michael Gerson: GOP's Hispanic problem deeper than immigration

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  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    June 22, 2013 2:52 p.m.

    Cut out the jobs and freebies for illegals and they will self deport. Viva LEGAL immigration.

  • Ronald Mortensen Bountiful, Utah
    June 22, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    Gearson is wrong when he writes: "But there is some paradoxical hope to be found for the GOP in the recent collapse of its appeal among Hispanics."

    There is no recent collapse. Hispanics have supported Democrats nationally by roughly a 2 to 1 margin for over 30 years. The average Hispanic vote since 1980 has been 64% for Democrats and 31% for Republicans in presidential elections. John McCain, who was behind the 2007 amnesty bill, only received 31% of Hispanic votes and the percentage of Hispanics voting for Reagan's Democrat opponent actually increased by 5% following the 1986 amnesty.

    Bob Dole did the worst of all Republican presidential candidates when he only garnered 21% of Hispanic votes and the senior Bush only received 25% of Hispanic votes in his 1992 race against Clinton.

    President Obama received 71% of Hispanic votes in 2012 which is roughly equivalent to Hispanic support for Obamacare (69%) and the 75% of Hispanics who, according to a 2012 Pew Hispanic Center survey, said they preferred a larger government providing more services as opposed to a smaller government providing less services.

  • FreedomFighter41 Orem, UT
    June 21, 2013 4:24 p.m.

    "You would need to ask Mr. Obama WHY he doesn't arrest employers who hire illegal aliens.

    He could do that today. Why hasn't he?"

    Probably because conservatives like you would blame him for trampling the Constitution, acting as a tyrant, and Socialism.

    With the exception of Affirmative Action, employment is largely managed at the state level. So perhaps states like Utah should prosecute those within their state who trample our laws?

    Lets stop acting like Democrats are the only ones trying to buy off the Latino vote. Reagan gave them amnesty and Bush tried to do it again in the early 2000s.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    June 21, 2013 3:47 p.m.

    JoeBlow, the person here for 30 years, and the 19 year old both get amnesty under the Democrats, they can't see the difference either.

    We will never solve this problem until we get enforcement. This is just a replay of 1986 amnesty, and the 6 under Clinton that followed. They didn't work, neither will this one.

    Allowing people to stay and giving them jobs is amnesty also. That's what they came for. We have 12 million people here on green cards that have never applied for citizenship. They want our better paying jobs.

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    June 21, 2013 12:08 p.m.

    I agree with Joe Blow -- the real problem in the GOP is the black and white thinking. It's the kind of purity and inflexibility that doomed Akin and Mourdock. And makes the GOP look bad.

    There IS a solution--and neither side would like it (usually the sign of a good deal): Provide a path to legal status but do not provide for citizenship. There should be a consequence for immigrating illegally and that's a reasonable one.

    Providing legal status but denying citizenship would make the Dems put up or shut up. We would see if their interest is really in helping these people come out of the shadows or in fact they are just looking to add to their base. And it would take the wind out of the sails of the Ann Coulters and Michael Burgesses.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    June 21, 2013 12:00 p.m.

    It's all those darn foreigners.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    June 21, 2013 11:19 a.m.

    "Real maverick" You would need to ask Mr. Obama WHY he doesn't arrest employers who hire illegal aliens.

    He could do that today. Why hasn't he?

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    June 21, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    When people break into my home, I do not feel the need to treat them like 'guests'. I call the police and treat them like criminals.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    June 21, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    The funny thing is, the GOP views all illegal immigrants and their offspring as criminals but exempts their precious business who also break laws as job creators. It's a sad demonstration on just how corrupt the GOP has become.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    June 21, 2013 10:27 a.m.

    "The republican party is doomed.

    Illegal immigrants are criminals."

    This is partly WHY the party is doomed. It is the black and white thinking.

    Seriously Chris. Do you not see a difference in how we should treat the 19 year old who came across the border this year to pick lettuce and the 50 year old who came here 30 years ago, and now has a house, 3 teenagers, cars and possibly a business?

    Yes, Illegal is illegal. Do you advocate deporting 11 million people.

    What is your solution?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 21, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    The republican party is doomed.

    Too much of the country drinks the liberal koolaid and doesn't understand reality.

    The correct thing to do when dealing with criminals is to punish their behavior and never reward it.

    Illegal immigrants are criminals.

    Giving them exactly what they broke the law to get is akin to letting a bank robber keep the money he steals, on the hope that future banks won't be robbed since now he has the money he needs.

    Illegal immigrants are criminals and should be treated as criminals.

    Des News posters likely wont post this, even though I have obeyed their rules. The truth is harsh sometimes. The sooner we deal with it the better.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    June 21, 2013 9:50 a.m.


    You just pointed out the ridiculous nature of the Republican party as it is now constituted. They would rather sit home (as you say) and watch the President get reelected then incessantly whine about what is going on during said President's tenure.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    June 21, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    "Neither party should be catering to one ethnic group. They should be catering to "we the people""

    True, But instead they cater

    First to "me the politician"

    Second to "we the party"

    Third to "you the corporation or union"

    and if they have any catering left, "we the people" get the scraps.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    June 21, 2013 8:45 a.m.

    Time to start a new party without Rush.

  • The Skeptical Chymist SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 21, 2013 8:26 a.m.

    Demographics are indeed working strongly against the Republican party, and there is no end in sight. This is the fundamental reason that they've won the popular vote in only one of the last six presidential elections. The Republican party has defined their base - it is white, religious, socially conservative, scientifically illiterate men. Sure, their appeal ranges beyond this group a bit, but the problem is that this group is shrinking. The fight now between more "moderate" Republicans who want to expand the base and the "true conservative" Republicans who only want to appeal to the base is ripping the party apart. Unless the Republicans find some way to appeal to a broader segment, they will continue to lose presidential elections and will find themselves a party with only regional influence.
    As it stands, even Texas will be a blue state in just a few years.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    June 21, 2013 4:36 a.m.

    A bunch of garbage.

    The correct solution is simple: The Republican Party needs to return to its Conservative roots -- not do something stupid and immoral like pander to illegal alien trespassers of this country who do not respect this nation nor its laws. Then the masses who have been staying home during recent elections will come to the voting booth and dwarf the so-called "Latino vote."

  • VickieB SLC, UT
    June 21, 2013 3:55 a.m.

    It almost smells like blackmail.

    Neither party should be catering to one ethnic group. They should be catering to "we the people"