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  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2013 5:25 p.m.

    He forgot the bogey man.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 20, 2013 1:31 p.m.

    The "superiority complex" of some posters is so strong now days. Insisting people take basic reading comprehension class before you allow them to post again, or until you will stop looking down your nose at them... is just juvenile.

    We're here to express opinions.

    Ultra Bob,
    I don't see the Constitution as perfect or unchangeable. Obviously it's changeable because we have several amendments to it already. But if we change it... lets go through the process and SHOW that the vast majority wants it changed. Don't just let 9 people in black robes who are in no way accountable to the people change it (we can't unelected them if we disagree with them... can we?).

    The Supreme Court is probably the most valuable branch of government IMO (when it does it's job right, which is to apply the Constitution without ANY consideration of Republican OR Democrat or popularity). Because IF they just apply the Constitution (and not their personal beliefs)... I don't think they'll go far astray. But they DON'T do that today.

    The founding fathers understood human nature. The constitution is based on that understanding. Human nature hasn't changed.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    June 20, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    Why is the Supreme court making laws. Doesn't congress read their own stuff or make logical decisions.

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2013 7:52 p.m.

    to The Real Maverick


    How about Citizens United & Kelo v New London?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    June 19, 2013 5:35 p.m.

    I see institutions like the supreme court as a moderating influence, protecting my rights from the howling mob.

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    June 19, 2013 4:11 p.m.


    You can't claim "the people are losing more and more of their sovereign power" to the federal government and then decry that the federal government isn't "enforcing federal law." Either the enforcement of federal law (passed by the federal government) is stealing power from the people, or it isn't. You can't argue both sides of the coin.

    Please take a basic reading comprehension class before submitting your next letter.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 19, 2013 3:43 p.m.

    Seems the only defense the left can come up with is...
    "right wing hate-filled radio... right wing hate-filled radio... right wing hate-filled radio".

    If you really don't know of any examples of DC power grabs of things that are not specifically given to the Federal Government in the Constitution (and therefor are left to the States)....

    -Education (common core, etc)

    -Definition of "Marriage" where was that given to the Federal Government in the Constitution? It should be up to the STATES to decide (as many are), but there are many in Washington who want to step in and define it for all States.

    I remember many Left-leaning posters complaining about BUSH's power grabs back in the day. Did they not exist? Of course they did! But you conveniently forge them when you start playing cover for the new administration. The Washington power-grab has been going on for over 60 years people!

    I could list many more but we're limited on words here.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 19, 2013 3:10 p.m.

    2 bits
    If you believe God produced the Constitution then you must accept it inviolate, but if you believe that the Constitution was produced by men who were primarily businessmen and politicians all. Then you might be able to accept that some parts of it are obsolete.
    The world has changed and our needs, desires and abilities have changed. Business has changed. In the start up time, there was no business or individual that could rival the government. Today the corporations and perhaps some individuals can buy and sell governments as they please.

    Government has not changed. Government is still primarily focused on providing the environment for the protection and convenience of business.

    Politics is mainly the art of deception. Like the magician the viewer is distracted so that they don’t see what’s going on someplace else.

    When there are too many governments, our attention can be diluted to the point of being ineffective. While you worry about the few being bought, I suggest that you consider that there will be many more eyes on the few.

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 19, 2013 2:52 p.m.


    Thank you!

    Had the original letter been written like that, we could have had a real discussion.

  • wendell provo, UT
    June 19, 2013 2:37 p.m.

    It sounds to me like you need to stop listening to so much right wing hate-filled radio shows. There are too many people in Utah that seemingly cannot formulate opinions on their own and instead turn to Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck to tell them what they should think.

    Seriously folks, there comes a time when people need to grow up, think for themselves, and admit that President Obama and the Federal government are not trying to destroy our freedoms. I would suggest people calm down, take a deep breath, and realize that Conservative radio is not nearly as "right" as some people seem to think it is.

    Remember this folks - the Democrats, the Illegal aliens, the homosexuals, MSNBC, and Nancy Pelosi, are not these evil entities that are out to get you anymore than are the Republicans, the Eagle Forum, or the Utah legislature.

  • Fitz Murray, UT
    June 19, 2013 2:23 p.m.

    @Darrel, I don't know what the author of this letter intended, but let's throw a few on the table.

    Obama, has ignored the current Immigration laws by stopping enforcement of illegal aliens under 30. He has refused to enforce the drug laws, especially the recreational pot laws. According to the DC Circuit Court, he unconstitutionally appointed members to the NLRB, who in turn, passed rules and adjudicated cases. He has refused to enforce the migratory bird act when it comes to "green" energy. He endorses the NSA meta-data searches, which are done under a FISA general warrant. General warrants are unconstitutional and violate the 4th Amendment. (you should see my Bush list)

    I could go on, but let's move to SCOTUS. This week they ruled that your silence can be used against you in Court. They have, since 1978, continually expanded exigence circumstances that override the 4th Amendment. Your 4th Amendment rights are quickly disappearing.

    There has been, since FDR's New Deal, a consistent chipping away of the founders intentions when they wrote the Constitution. Contrast the founders' intentions with the activities of the recent Executive & Congressional Branches and SCOTUS' decisions.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 19, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    Ultra Bob,
    Are you saying we should just do away with State Governments (when say, "We have too many governments)? Because that's the opposite of what the US Constitution says. Your cavalier attitude about State Governments not being needed and it would be OK if the Federal Government just took over everything and supplanted State Governments... is the exact problem the author was pointing out.

    You are obsessed with capitalists and businesses taking over the government. That IS a risk, and something we the people need to guard against (because the politicians certainly won't tell them to stop sending money to them).

    The thing you fail to realize is... if we consolidate all power at the Federal Level and do away with State Governments... big businesses only need to buy off 278 people to control the government. They can't buy all the State legislatures. For one all States don't want the same thing, so they would not sell out. All States are not the same. That's another reason why it's good to have governance at the State level (instead of pretending the Feds know what every state needs or wants).

  • Lew Scannon Provo, UT
    June 19, 2013 10:48 a.m.

    The sky is falling.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    June 19, 2013 10:11 a.m.

    For goodness sakes turn the Hate Radio off and leave it off. That stuff rots the mind.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    June 19, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    The only thing I got from this letter is insight into the thinking of its author.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    June 19, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    It's appropriate to examine the actions of the IRS and the NSA, but from all reports nobody's done anything wrong. The IRS is supposed to examine political-sounding applications for tax exempt status. The NSA is supposed to monitor communications for terrorist plots. The FISA court empowered by writ everything NSA has done. So where is the illegality?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    The Bill of right has now become a personal political agenda tool. That would shock the framers.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    June 19, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    You forgot to mention death panels, birth certificates, and how Obama is coming to take away our guns.

    Can we secede already?

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 19, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    We don’t have too much government, we have too many governments.

    Because business interests have too much control over our governments, with different businesses supreme in different governments, our government is brought into the fierce competition that is the nature of capitalism. Competition is good for capitalistic business, bad for government of the people.

    Nowhere in our lives do we segregate and allow our chosen control entities to be from different interests. Like with religion, we chose a single religious source and do not accept any other. We may change our religion at will but never practice two at the same time.

    I am an American. I am a Utahn only because I live here. I prefer the American government over the Utah government. I don’t need governments to compete for my loyalty.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 19, 2013 8:20 a.m.

    The other day I was out driving with my wife. I came to a spot where I wanted to make a left turn, but there was a sign there that said "No Left Turn". It's that darn Obama stealing my freedoms again. Who is he to tell me where I can and can't turn left? Isn't this supposed to be a free country?

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 19, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    "Recent actions by the Supreme Court, Congress and especially the presidency show that states and the people are losing more and more of their sovereign power to federal tyranny."

    Do you have any recent examples you would like to discuss? I'm always up to discussion, but I need something to discuss.

    " — even losing their ability to enforce federal laws, laws which the executive branch refuses to enforce on its own. "
    Again, I need a specific. The only example I can think of that comes to mind is implementaion of parts of the failed Dream Act. Not exactly recent, but is this what you want to talk about?

    "The Bill of Rights is under assault from every direction, and those seeking its eradication are in Washington: Republicans and Democrats."

    This is pretty serious! By whom, from where? Are you referring to the recent "NSA Scandal"? Which is really the consequence of the Patriot Act that has now been law for nearly ten years? Or is there something more recent?

    Please give me something to discuss.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    June 19, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    Government encroachment on civil liberties? Easy to determine if this is true or not! Contact the IRS for further information! Or better yet, ask the White House for explanations for Benghazi, fast and furious and targeting reporters and the IRS' abuses of citizens they don't like politically. Ask Lois Lerner or Susan Rice or Robert Mueller for answers to the question about the abusive out of control government! See how easy it is to answer the question about our government? "By their fruits we will know them" The most corrupt federal government in the history of our nation!

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2013 7:03 a.m.

    Way to go, Chicken Little. The glass is not half full or half empty, it's shattered. Head for the bunker!

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    June 19, 2013 12:09 a.m.

    Ummmm... Ok...


    More importantly, what's the solution? Elect more tea party obstructionists? Yay. That'll fix our country for sure!

    When will we learn that we are under attack from special interest groups and not the federal government boogeyman?