Pressure points: Prep coaches seek solutions as more is expected of them

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  • eagle Provo, UT
    June 20, 2013 9:50 a.m.

    I know plenty of prep coaches that got fired because they didn't win enough games.

  • Proud to be American West Jordan, UT
    June 10, 2013 5:44 p.m.

    I don't get the point of the article, what purpose does the beginning of the article have on high school coaches? Joe Cravens points that are made have nothing to do with high school sports.

    "Common sense in today's world is really not that common." What on earth does this comment even mean in context with the actual article?

    On the other side, it's almost like you are saying "hey we don't get paid much so it is okay to verbally abuse kids because back in 1970 my coach did the same thing!"

    No, it is not okay to cuss and abuse kids. I don't care what the situation is or how much money you may or may not make doing the job. At the high school level it is unacceptable. Period.

    High school coaches do not face the same expectations as college coaches do. Their salaries are not 100% dependent on winning or losing, so there is really no comparison here.

  • gamer PROVO, UT
    June 10, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    Coach lewis is such a good coach, and his program is so sound that my bet is with LP winning state again next year despite losing 4 of their 5 starters.

  • CobraCommander Orem, UT
    June 9, 2013 11:06 p.m.

    Eagle , you are right on. The high profile sports have gotten way out of whack with huge salaries and massive pressure. The problem is now there are parents who expect high school coaches to run their programs like division one programs. They demand so much for so little. It is a very heavy burden for our high school coaches to carry.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    June 9, 2013 9:47 p.m.

    Cobra Commander: I am quite aware of that and I agree with you 100%. I was addressing the first part of the article and the pressure to win there is immense causing poor behavior by many of these (college) coaches. Unfortunately, this pressure has trickled down to high school and youth sports and where you correctly ascertain, the pay is horrible for the amount of pressure and expectations. I feel bad for the expectations placed on high school coaches but for the high profile sports (men's basketball and football at the university level) I have much less sympathy based on the salary they command.

  • CobraCommander Orem, UT
    June 9, 2013 9:31 p.m.

    Eagle...the article was about high school coaches. A lot of college coaches make good money. High school coaches work extremely hard for next to nothing. If you broke it down to hourly pay for a high school coach, it would literally be a dollar or less per hour. Amy's point was that HS coaches work extremely hard and have a huge amount of pressure to perform.
    Amy, thanks for putting this out there. There are many people who need to step back and realize how many good men there are working with HS athletes in Utah. Those men are grossly underpaid for the job they are tasked with.

  • sisucas San Bernardino, CA
    June 9, 2013 6:15 p.m.

    My high school football coach exemplified each of the negative behaviors mentioned here. He cussed like a sailor, screamed, belittled players, kicked me. When he was in a good mood he told us horribly dirty jokes. We all just figured that's how coaches behave.

  • Sentinel Ogden, UT
    June 9, 2013 5:11 p.m.

    "whose" vs "who's". Every writer should know the difference.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2013 12:15 p.m.

    I've had 3 close friends be head coaches at 5A schools over the last 20 years. All three agree that the PARENTS are largely the ones who are the critical factor in whether high school sports are a positive thing or a negative thing. The pressure exerted by parents, their criticism of the coach and the "kid" who plays more then theirs, creates a form of cancer that eats programs.

    I've coached 200+ super league basketball games the last 8 years and I still can't believe how unbalanced some parents become during competition, like...borderline criminal behavior towards referees and opposing parents.

    Somewhere along the line, in our society's marvelous improvements we have lost the art of how to communicate with each other. Civility has waxed cold.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    June 9, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    I hear many coaches who echo the words of some who were interviewed here---"you have to treat each individual differently" "one size does not fit all." etc. With due respect and an understanding that all kids are different, I think that a consistent set of guidelines might even be MORE valuable. When one kid is screamed at--taunted to do more--and another is treated like the golden boy of the team, or ignored, or held to a different set of standards because he/she is considered more valuable to the team/coaches success--this is where problems begin. How about fair, balanced discipline and self discipline that radiates to the team. Let them know what they can expect and that you will be a rock and not a best buddy---or distant figurehead. Treat players fairly and with respect--demand the same of your players.

  • just-a-fan Bountiful, UT
    June 9, 2013 5:21 a.m.

    I believe the problem for coaches stems from parents. Too many parents believe their children are as good as what they have created in their mind. When their athlete doesn't measure up they automatically blame the coach. These coaches get blamed for everything. I have lived all over the nation and Utah is by far the worst for this problem as far as I am concerned.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    June 9, 2013 12:44 a.m.

    While these coaches do have a lot of pressure they also make a truck load of money. Some football and/or basketball college coaches are the highest paid state government employees making millions of dollars. That is where the source of much of this pressure. Things are out of whack and the ones suffering are the players who want to play a "game" for the love of it while for many coaches they are merely pawns in order to make these coaches (and universities) obscene amounts of money.

  • sportstats SLC, UT
    June 8, 2013 11:37 p.m.

    Great story Amy!