The 'Gang of Eight' bill is an immigration version of Obamacare

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  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    June 12, 2013 7:58 a.m.

    Like a wise man said if the bill stated that these illegals after gaining citizenship could not vote for fifty years this stampede to legalize them would be DOA. Both parties are pandering to hispanics .for votes. Nothing more nothing less.All else they say is malarky.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    June 10, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    The bill is to big. We need enforcement for several years before boosting visas, and dealing with previous criminal activity.

    People here illegally commit multiple felonies. Will they be allowed to stay? If so, the promise that criminals will be returned home is a lie.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    June 10, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    The immigration bill vs Obama care. Attempted guilt by association. You are wrong about both bills, but in Utah why am I not surprised?

  • Maggie Saint George, UT
    June 10, 2013 9:24 a.m.

    Just called our Senators offices to encourage Sen Hatch to listen to Sen Lee and to tell Sen Lee I support his stance.
    I agree with Sen Lee 100%.
    One more thought. Many Hispanics will never vote for Conservatives, no matter what we give them.
    To put the well being of the citizens of the USA first when making corrections to our immigration reform is a must. All elected officials should start with the question"How does this make the USA a stronger, better country" , and move on from there when developing legislation.
    Weakening this country in no way will provide a better life for anyone, anywhere in this world.

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2013 7:26 p.m.

    I think Senator Lee's opinions reflected in this article represent what a majority of Utah Citizens feel. Of course, non-citizens and those sympathizing with them would not agree.

    Citizens have just about had enough of the demands and sob stories from people who really should not be here in the first place, and they wonder what is the thinking of those leaders who would like to give them the pathway to legalization.

    If some of our businesses truly are met with a shortage of potential employees for certain jobs, lets make the Visa system work better and more efficient in supplying those non-citizen employees, but with accountability and checks and balances.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    June 9, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    Senator Lee, the world just doesn't work like that--for obvious reasons.

    Private businesses and corporations don't even do deals by the "piecemeal" approach. The parties to a business deal get together, hammer out an agreement over the course of weeks, months until they are both reasonably satisfied. The agreements can be hundreds of pages long-- depending on the size of the deal.

    The problem is, we have people in Congress who can't/won't compromise. They have no business being legislators.

    June 9, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    Actually, yes; many of the American people DID oppose the Patriot Act because it could lead to things like what we are currently seeing. Congress, of course, did not care what we said.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    June 9, 2013 6:35 a.m.

    "Did the American people have any idea that the PATRIOT Act would empower the NSA to spy on all Americans through their cell phones and computers? What makes any of us, least of all any conservative, believe this immigration bill is going to work out any better? The lesson we should be taking from our recent mistakes is not that we need to pass better huge, sweeping new laws, but that we should instead undertake major necessary reforms incrementally, one step at a time, and in the proper sequence. We need to face the fact that thousand-page bureaucratic overhaul do not achieve their desired goals, and they create far more problems....."

    Lee proposes a piecemeal approach that would require the passage of several elements of whats in the immigration bill. Lee, and other House Republicans are pushing for the same approach, know that voting on the bill part-by-part makes it much more likely some provisions, like border security, will pass, while others, like a pathway to citizenship, will be left out.

  • Makid Kearns, UT
    June 9, 2013 6:16 a.m.

    Okay, I like some parts and disagree with other parts.

    Let's try this analogy.

    Immigration reform is similar to sugar in the gas tank.

    Let's say we have roughly 1/2 gallon of sugar in the gas tank and 20 gallons of fuel all mixed together, the engine has started to have problems and now the driver knows they need to fix the vehicle so they take it to the shop.

    Mike Lee is supporting the following:

    Making sure that gas doesn't contain sugar (boarder security)
    Making sure you get the right type of gas (legal immigration reform)
    Replacing the tires (employment verification)

    He then wants to leave the shop leaving the sugar in the tank and not cleaning the engine and running the car for a while to see what happens. (opposes dealing with those already here)

    This is why comprehensive reform is needed, if you don't to the whole thing, you miss parts that gum up the rest of the work.

    Sure, each area is good on its own part but with the above, you need to take care of the sugar in the engine while at the shop not just ignore it.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2013 4:12 a.m.

    The truth is that we shouldn't even be THINKING about legalizing illegal aliens. Doing so would make an utter mockery of the rule of law as it would signify that the law means nothing.

    And there is nothing cruel about requiring them to return home, despite lying propaganda to the contrary.

    The fact is, strict enforcement of immigration law, both on the border and in the nation's interior, is government's constitutional DUTY. HOW DARE this Gang of Eight hold the nation hostage by telling us, "No, we will not carry out our constitutional duty, unless you legalize the nation's illegal aliens."

    Legalization of illegal aliens is the very opposite of enforcement. There is NO legitimate reason why we should be rewarding lawbreakers with the objective of their illegality and tossing out the rule of law aside in the process.

    Of course a nation's immigration laws mean nothing if not backed up by a policy of accountability, penalization and deportation as the standard. The pro-amnesty propagandists understand this perfectly well; that is why they have been telling us that deportation is impossible, inhumane, and breaks up families, when none of these things actually is true.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2013 2:15 a.m.

    The visa bill that Sen. Lee had and Sen. Hatch put in the the larger immigration bill. The I-Squared Act. Lets pull it back out and pass it separately.

    We also should not force out of the country the high tech overseas student home after we educate them, to compete with the US. (They should be allowed to get a Green Card).

    We need to fix legal immigration. The best plan I have seen is to have a decent no quota but sponsored system of immigration with the ability later to become a citizen, Rep. Dougall's bill 2011 HB 469 in 2011 has the first part of that. It is the best bill that was supported by both sides of the immigration debate.

    We need a simple E-Verify law for companies 15 or larger to protect against ID theft.

    If the "big" US immigration bill passes it will just further divide us. You get a bill that no one really likes. We need more consensus building and less compromise. If we focus on what we agree on, we can accomplish the most good.

    Congress should run a bunch of small simple bills.