Frank Pignanelli & LaVarr Webb: Is the national GOP in trouble with younger voters?

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  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    June 11, 2013 11:52 p.m.

    Salt Lake City, UT

    "It was the freedom to succeed or fail. It was the incentive to climb higher and do better."


    It was the leveling of the playing field,
    Making everyone play by the same set of rules,
    It was breaking the Corporate Monopolies,
    It was a better redistribution of the Wealth,
    It was Less of the Have's and Have Nots,
    It was fighting wars in defense of freedom, and not plundering them for Oil,

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2013 7:49 a.m.

    Before making the final determination on what is best for the country we should take a serious look back into our history and identify the principles that are responsible for making this country the strongest in the world.

    It certainly was not the overregulation and overtaxation that we have seen in the past several years, and it certainly was not the expansion of the nanny state where government relieves us of all our worries and takes care of us from the cradle to the grave.

    It was the freedom to succeed or fail. It was the incentive to climb higher and do better.
    And, it was the pride and integrity represented in a sovereign nation that functioned under the rule of law and adherence to the Constitution.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    June 10, 2013 3:03 a.m.

    Both parties are corrupt.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2013 11:38 p.m.

    Tea party average age is 70.

  • NorthboundZax Makanda, IL
    June 9, 2013 10:34 p.m.

    Can we dispense with the misattributed Churchill quote already?! There is no record of him making the liberal/conservative quote. In fact, Churchill was more liberal at 40 than at 20. Do conservatives really want to paint him as not having a brain?

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    June 9, 2013 10:19 p.m.

    Okay, What in Tucket, give me your conservative solution to the rapidly expanding inequality we have seen now for 30 years (ever since Reagan pushed the big tax cut through). And don't give me that nonsense about a rising tide lifting all boats. Half the boats in our growing economy have holes in them. Only the top 7 percent are increasing their wealth. Everyone else is in decline. Look at the trajectory. How do you solve inequality? It is a problem, even if the conservative ostriches refuse to peek above the sand and recognize it.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    June 9, 2013 5:31 p.m.

    Utah's single-minded rehearsal of Republican virtues is unfortunately of itself more an ode to improvidence and mediocrity. Not to be ignored is the conclusion of John Stuart Mill that a healthy state of political life requires the equal participation of both a party of order or stability and a party of progress or reform.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    June 9, 2013 4:48 p.m.

    I am amazed at the comments I see in something like this. Our business is over regulated and over taxed. A stronger economy helps everyone of all races. Our corporations are the highest taxed in the world. We didn't say no regulations or rules, we just say less than we have now.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    June 9, 2013 4:27 p.m.

    Yes, it is in trouble with younger voters. That's not a bad thing.

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    June 9, 2013 4:21 p.m.

    I'm sorry Democrats but you do not lift people out of poverty, you give them away to get out for themselves. Why do Democrats consistently get things wrong? I came from a big family and got married years ago with nothing and I am doing okay and my fate was determined by myself and not others. All should have that opportunity.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    June 9, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    Kent, "If they were serious about reducing the inequality and lifting the poor, " There's the rub they are not only not serious about this but they are adamant about creating a system committed to inequality. The America of the Republicans is a zero sum winner and loser society, and they actually don't even try and hide it. It's their vision. At the same time they are pulling off the shell game of all time by rigging the system so that fewer and fewer are winners (yet win more and more), and still are able to convince half the population that they either are or will be the winners. It's slipping though. When more and more folks do all that is possible to be successful and still need 2 and a half incomes to survive and realize that their retirement plan is $50,000 and a part time job at Wall-Mart they may realize they have been had.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    June 9, 2013 12:11 p.m.

    I would also warn Webb not to get too high and mighty about the Republican stronghold in this state. First, I'm not sure it's a good thing as witnessed by the Swallow fiasco and the way our schools seem to be going as generally under attack by our legislature. Second, our state is fast becoming more diverse with increasing numbers of Latino voters who right now voting Democratic by a heavy percentage, perhaps as much Democrat as Mormons vote Republican. Third, Piganelli is right, much of the Republican agenda isn't resonating with younger voters. Yes, many of our younger voters in Utah will turn out like their parents, many will not. Again, they don't share the same vision on gay marriage or immigration or abortion or even the economy as their parents. It might take some time, but I expect our state to get more balanced, which I think would be a good thing to prevent the insulation and one-party think. I am neither a Democrat or a Republican but one that believes that balance and compromise work the best in our system.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    June 9, 2013 12:00 p.m.

    To answer the headline: YES!!!

    It's all about gay marriage.

    The thing the President has done that other candidates of either party failed to do was get young people to actually vote. Now since I'm no big fan of the President and how things are going, that may change and the usual disillusionment (and general nonvoting patterns) may return. But for some reason, young voters were energized by the President and seemed energized by this issue.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    June 9, 2013 10:44 a.m.



    "...Everyone always says the part of Lincoln and Reagan when referring to the GOP. Why don't they mention the party of McCarthy?...".

    Or Ted Cruz, for that matter...

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    June 9, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    LaVarr's explanations illustrate well why even a more moderate Republican Party will struggle in the future. Hidden behind the Republican mantra of limited government, low taxes, and pro-growth policies are the more fundamental problems than the debt the GOP has focused on: increasing inequality, uninsured millions, little regulation on corporations, and fewer people able to survive in this Republican utopia (dreamworld). All the Republican "solutions" actually exacerbate the current economic problems we face. If they were serious about reducing the inequality and lifting the poor, they would fight for a system in which workers share in the ownership of the businesses where they work. Short of that, the only other viable solution is to increase the tax burden on the wealthy and shift that money to help those who are being shoved aside by the corporate system. But either of these paths is anathema to the GOP. Hence, their inevitable decline.

  • Makid Kearns, UT
    June 9, 2013 6:26 a.m.

    What is sad is that Lincoln and Reagan would not be in the Republican party today.

    Everyone always says the part of Lincoln and Reagan when referring to the GOP. Why don't they mention the party of McCarthy?

    Maybe they are trying to remember the great leaders in the GOP past while at the same time trying to ignore the troublemakers.

    This makes you wonder, will there be anyone from the 2000 to now list of Republicans in Congress be remembered in the same breath as Lincoln and Reagan or will they be listed with Joe McCarthy?

    That is the question that should be asked. Not until the Republican party has ideas that benefit the entire country as opposed to the elite 1% will the younger generation view the Republican party in any way other than obstructionists and old. Compromise is not a 4 letter word. This country was built on it, Lincoln and Reagan both used it to their success.

    This is coming from a lifelong Republican who couldn't even consider voting for obstructionism over compromise. Only when the GOP can show they can compromise will the GOP be returned to the Lincoln and Reagan party over McCarthyism.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2013 2:03 a.m.

    If the Count My Vote group wants to help things and not ruin our system, this is a great area to focus on.

    Our only problem is that the voter turnout has not kept up with the population increase. The voter turnout keeps going up but not as fast as the population. Some of that is the younger voters, where Utah has a larger percentage of them and they aren't, as a group, as involved. Some of that are those moving in and not understanding our system.

    The recent poll the GOP did before the state convention showed only 5% of the 120,000 caucus attendees were 18 to 29 years old. Big problem.

    We need to coordinate with college and university campuses in Utah so students know where their caucus meeting is, and where Utah residents can register to attend and participate.

    That doesn't require ruining the primary system or the caucus/convention system.
    The present system does not protect the incumbent, the wealthy or the famous. Keep fair elections in Utah.