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  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    June 7, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    "I would urge anyone/everyone who would like laws enforced, and jobs for LEGAL Americans to contact the senators to urge them to NOT approve new amnesty legislation."

    Especially urge the liberals who support amnesty for illegals. There's tons of them out there looking for the Hispanic vote to keep them in office.

    "Besides having to track 25 million immigrants, all it will do is attract another batch of illegal immigrants to receive their amnesty."

    You got that right. The tracking system would require another layer of bureaucratic control will thousands of added government employees... paid for with taxpayer money.

    And, yes. We will see a repeat of the 1986 amnesty action under Reagan resulting in millions more illegals coming for the same treatment. It is strange indeed that our politicians can't see the mess the bill will get us into. It might pay to start learning Spanish now since our population will soon be approaching fifty percent Hispanic.

    June 4, 2013 11:33 p.m.

    The article about the Mayors showed 19 out of 248. I don't think that's significant enough to warrant an article.

    Amnesty every 20 years solves nothing, only enforcement solves the problem.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    June 4, 2013 6:19 a.m.

    This a.m. in the news headlines is a story regarding Utahs' sanctuary cities' mayors urging Utahs' senators to pass immigration reform.

    I would urge anyone/everyone who would like laws enforced, and jobs for LEGAL Americans to contact the senators to urge them to NOT approve new amnesty legislation.

    The new immigration bill, if passed, and IF enforced, would be horribly expensive. Besides having to track 25 million "new" immigrants, all it will do is attract another batch of illegal immigrants to receive their amnesty.

    The ONLY group who benefits from illegal immigration are illegal and unethical employers. THEY reap the benefits of cheap labor, while the rest of us pay the social welfare costs.

    BTW - some of you may want to ask your local mayors why they support illegal immigrants over actual law-abiding citizens when you see them on the street. Many mayors signed the letter to the senators.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2013 1:39 a.m.

    @The Real Maverick

    "Nobody cares."

    Oh, you care. You care plenty. That is why you posted the comment. That is why you are advancing the false propaganda that deportation is impossible.

    Anti-enforcement, anti-deportation groups know full well that a nation's immigration law must be backed by a willingness to enforce -- which includes willingness to deport -- otherwise, the law means absolutely nothing.

    And so they try and discourage Americans against deporting, by telling them -- falsely -- that deportation is impossible, inhumane, splits up families when in truth the parents are free to take the children with them, etc. They know that if they can convince Americans not to deport, they have won.

    Oh, you care. You care plenty. And by the way: if there are no illegals here, businesses can't very well hire them, now can they.

    June 3, 2013 10:48 p.m.

    Children born here of Mexican parents have duel citizenship. They inherit citizenship in Mexico from their parents. Just like children of American citizens receive birthright when born overseas.

    Children born here return home with their parents, at 18 they can return to the US or stay in their parents homeland.

    In 2007 a government agency, the Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agency put the price of deporting 12 million people at 94 billion. Much less than the 113 billion dollar cost per year. This number did not include self deportation. Under Eisenhower, self deportation rivaled his repatriation deportions.

    With Obama care coming, and the uncertainty, we should not be talking Amnesty for 11 million and all those that have been deported in the past. (as per senate bill)

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    June 3, 2013 10:35 p.m.

    Let's try it one more time---

    @The Real Maverick:
    "And btw, we can't find nor afford to deport all illegals."

    Take their jobs away with E-Verify and they'll deport themselves.

    "Unless businesses are severely punished then it won't matter what immigration policy we come up with."

    Talk to your leader, Obama, about that. It's his responsibility, under oath, to see that the laws of the land are enforced. He only enforces what he wants enforced which is zip, nil, nada re immigration. Why? To get the Hispanic vote, of course. And as Ann Coulter suggests: 'When did we vote to become Mexico?'

    To DNews monitors: I have to assume you continue rejecting my comments due to Obama criticism. If that's the case why do I see, time after time, posts criticizing former President bush? And, by the way, who is the 'appropriate parties' you send my rejected posts to?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 3, 2013 9:19 p.m.

    There are 2 issues here.

    1. Parents who brought children here illegally when they were young (not born here). The child had no say in their parents decision. Yet they are still here illegally.
    2. Parents who are admittedly in the US illegally, but now they have children who are US Citizens (because they were born here).

    Nobody's proposing deporting US citizens (children born in the USA are US citizens). It's not legal to deport a US citizen. But the parents should not be rewarded just for being here long enough to have children while here illegally. They should not be immune from the laws they broke just because they have children. American children who's parents break the law have their families split up every day, and the children were at no fault at all.

    It's also very painful to have to punish parents who are here illegally who have children born here, because it splits the family. But that's the decision the parents made.

    It's a difficult situation when parents break the law.
    But we incarcerate American citizens for breaking the law... even if it splits up the family.

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 3, 2013 8:28 p.m.

    Something to think about...

    Those American born children are American citizens. Mexico is under no moral obligation to accept them into their country. To return with them is simply forcing their children to be illegal immigrants somewhere else...

    Why don't we instead focus our efforts on helping them contribute to society?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 3, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    It's true... when parents make bad decisions their children are affected.

    The children had no say in their parents bringing them here illegally. But that doesn't mean the parents can't be punished for their bad decision. The children of a burglar have no choice in their parent's bad decision, and yet the children are affected when their family is split up while the parent is in jail.

    There are currently 2.7 Million American children with a parent in prison. That's 1 in 28 American school-aged children have their family split up because their parent made bad decisions. Why should only the children of illegal alien parents be immune from the consequences of their parent's decisions?

    It bugs me when we bestow more rights or extra-rights on illegal aliens than we do on our own citizens. If an American citizen breaks the law... their family is broke up while the parent goes to jail. But if an illegal alien break the law... we can't do anything because it will affect the children that didn't make the bad decision?

    Parent's bad decisions affect their families (illegal alien families included).

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    June 3, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    Maverick - You DO realize, I hope, that the latest amnesty proposal came from Barack Obama?

    Barack has the means and authority today to arrest and prosecute those who hire illegal foreign workers. He chooses not to.

    As one of his staunch supporters maybe you could ask HIM why not?

    BOTH political parties have their hands dirty undercutting American citizens and their right to have jobs before illegal foreign workers.

    As much as we might want the issue to be partisan, its not.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    June 3, 2013 5:39 a.m.

    Nobody cares. Take your lil Facebook fight to a other platform. We don't care to read it. And btw, we can't find nor afford to deport all illegals. Instead, why don't righties like you, ever blame the real culprit?

    Greedy businesses which hire illegally?

    Unless businesses are severely punished then it won't matter what immigration policy we come up with. Deport them all today and they will all be back tomorrow if businesses continue their free market practices.