Obama drawing attention to new student loan debate

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  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    June 4, 2013 7:21 a.m.

    Re: Worf

    Nice Obama comment. You made multiple comments, failed to make a real point, so all you're left with is going after Obama. Lucky for you that 'plays' in Utah and Texas (I'm guessing).

    You're fun! Thanks.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    June 3, 2013 8:51 p.m.

    More of the I got mine, now lets discontinue that program, from the selfish neocons.

    What they are saying claudia, is only the precious wealthy deserve an education.

    Soon America will be a 3rd world county if the cons are successful in getting all
    the wealth into only a few hands (almost there).
    Uneducated folks are easily fooled by what they hear on the radio or see on tv, who
    needs reading or especially comprehension when opinuendo passes as facts.

    Investing in our nations future vs nation building and investing in future terrorist?

    Texas prints their own tex-books don't expect much from that state in the future more low paying jobs.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 2, 2013 2:22 p.m.

    Howard Beal:

    California has done that, and look at their poverty, and wrecked economy. Look at our country with half our people on welfare.

    Education is great, but the management of our investment has been ineffective.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    June 1, 2013 10:54 a.m.

    As a thought some countries expand free or public education up through the university level. I guess they feel that education is an investment in the future of their society. They view education much like infrastructure, necessary and essential to the positive growth of their economy and overall well-being.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 31, 2013 2:51 p.m.

    Rate Shock: In California, Obamacare To Increase Individual Health Insurance Premiums By 64-146%:

    An we're trusting this man with education?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 31, 2013 2:28 p.m.

    what is it about your kids that made you think DN Scubsriber was talking about them?

    Cowboy Joe,
    those are "Pell", not "pale" grants.

    I worked my way through college. No grants, no loans.

    I am helping my children pay for their college. No grants, no loans.

    it is doable.

    Cannot speak for DN Subscriber

    The real problem is when you get people like the wall street occupier who ran up $200,000 in debt getting a masters in sociology from Columbia knowing the best he can expect is a $55k/year job as a state social worker. Or someone who runs up student debt getting a masters in "pop culture". Where is the marketability in that? How can he ever expect to repay?

    No, too much student debt is racked up by irresponsible young adults who want to by satisfy their curiousity or be entertained at the local university, all on our dime.

    Those who borrow to get an education to be more productive and improve their earnings capacity are having the system ruined by the abusers I have already mentioned.

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    May 30, 2013 9:57 p.m.

    Re: Worf

    "So! You're saying people can't make it through college without taking from others?"

    No, I didn't say that anywhere, or even come close to suggesting it. Nice obfuscation. I know from past experience that trying to have a civil discussion with you is like trying to play in a mud pit without getting dirty. So I won't bother trying now.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 30, 2013 8:41 p.m.


    So! You're saying people can't make it through college without taking from others? That's why our people are soft, compared to those coming from other countries. Those coming from other countries make a third of our college graduates. Half our college students are in need of remedial classes, and are too soft to make it through college. They want the handouts rather then work they're way through school.

    As for electric lines, etc, these come from company investments to create a business which Obama doesn't feel they built. Yes, if we both buy a new car,--I could say you paid for the tires, or seats,--but it's a business, and not having money taken to be given away.

    This country has spent more money on education then all countries combined through out history, and still we need to pay more? Half our students going to college can't handle the work. American education is the biggest scam in history!

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    May 30, 2013 7:44 p.m.

    Re: Worf

    I don't want to pay for your social security. Or the roads outside your house. Or the electric lines, water lines, gas lines, and sewer lines that run to your house. Period. Everyone should be out for themselves. If they can't survive, oh well. That's how animals live. If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for us. Fair?


    I did not miss his point. I fully exposed it. I also disagree with it.


    My post also detailed that college is not for everyone. It did not say that people shouldn't go or be restricted from going because they come from an impoverished home. That was the distinction I attempted to draw with DN Subscriber. If that wasn't clear, my mistake.

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    May 30, 2013 5:24 p.m.

    The lead indicator of poverty is education. A government student loan program has a far greater return than just about any anti-poverty program. It helps to create an educated workforce for the private sector, benefitting businesses. Because most aid is a loan and not a handout, the money will be repaid with interest, and has the double benefit of growing the tax base because it leads to higher paying jobs. It is hardly a hand out.

    Tekakaromatagi, I fully agree that there does need to be a frank reevaluation of whether college is right for everyone. For many people it is not. However, the opportunity should be there for those who want to lift themselves up but lack the resources for it.

    The real issue is the increased cost of higher education. Yes, that student loans have fueled that, but the rate of tuition increases has far outpaced both the inflation rate and the ceilings on student loans. The result is a generation of college graduates who will be servicing their loans instead of buying homes/cars or starting families. That's a major economic and demographic concern.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    May 30, 2013 4:44 p.m.

    Claudio: I will say it: some people should not be attending college. They have every right to attend college, but they are wasting their time and if they are getting government aid then they are consuming a scarce resource that should go to more qualified people. Giving someone a big student loan that they will not be able to repay because they enrolled in a msjor with low value or because they lack the skills to get a degree is heartless.

    We need to recognize that schools are not providing high school students the skills to succeed in college.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 30, 2013 4:27 p.m.

    Let me make this perfectly clear:

    * I don't want to pay for another persons college. Period. Work your way through on your own. Benefits, is money taken from people.

    All the money in the world couldn't pay off our debt.

  • Cowboy Joe Encampment, WY
    May 30, 2013 4:24 p.m.

    DN subscriber how did you pay for college? If you didn't get pale grants or federal loans for you and your children I respect for comments. If you did you are a hypocritical.

  • Grundle West Jordan, UT
    May 30, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    Claudio - you are picking at the words and missing the message.

    I agree with DN Subscriber 2

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    May 30, 2013 3:22 p.m.

    Re: DN Subscriber

    "How can a college educated person justify loaning money we don't have to people who should not be attending college."

    Please tell me how this sentence does not explicitly state your thoughts about whether some people should or should not be attending college. It is hard to claim you didn't do something when the proof is in your own words. You have also now condemned some people's education and expertise as worthless and once again said they should not attend college. You are full of erroneous judgments.

    We are also spending tax money on revenge wars, and salaries for corrupt politicians. I'd much rather see tax dollars invested in the education of our society. I pity you for not realizing the benefits of an education, be it college, trade school, or in some other fashion, and yes, even your so-called "worthless" subjects as well.

    By the way, tax money subsidizes all in-state tuition at all state universities. Should we stop doing that as well? Merit scholarships are paid from somewhere, typically some tax money is involved. Why is that an acceptable option but a loan is not?

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    May 30, 2013 3:10 p.m.

    If the President gets 160 college students to his White House, then that will be more visits than the IRS director did last year, including the Easter Egg roll on the lawn.

    The President just wants to do everything he can to keep the spot light off of what he has done and is planning on doing.

    He has fallen into the Nixon play and most of that play book is still out there including some of the individuals involved. The President should talk to the main players that when you give students money, they may, may give your party votes in the future.

    He and his wife definitely benefitted by a lot of public money in his life as he got an education in various countries, cities and states.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    May 30, 2013 1:56 p.m.

    @ Claudio- I did NOT say your kids should not go to college.

    I did say the government should not be loaning money to them, or anyone else.

    They are your kids, and YOU should be paying their tuition, or the kids should be working and saving to go to college, or attending over a longer period of time as finances permit. If you, or the kids want to go into debt for college, talk to banks and credit unions or even family about loans. Plus there are scholarships based on merit, as well as many for other factors. And, there are generous education benefits provided for those willing to serve in the military, either active or reserve.

    Too many kids go to college to party for 4,5 or 6 years, or study worthless subjects for which there are no real employment demands, and those people should not be going to college at all, cluttering the campuses disrupting people eager to study real subjects and work hard and benefit from an expensive education.

    If kids fall into the slacker category, they are free to spend THEIR money, but not my tax dollars.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 30, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    looks like the repubs are working on the problem, while BO is campaigning - again.

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    May 30, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    Re: DN Subscriber

    Who are you to tell my kids, or any kids, that they should not be going to college?

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    May 30, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    How can a college educated person justify loaning money we don't have to people who should not be attending college, at rates below the cost of borrowing the money to lend, with a long track record of non-payment of such loans?

    I guess if it buys votes from people who love "free stuff" then it may make sense to liberal politicians.

    The government should not be in the college loan business at all. It just makes less and less sense from there on out.

    The most important questions are:

    How badly will the inevitable defaults hasten our economic collapse when coupled to all the other runaway spending programs?
    And, can this foolishness be stopped in time, and by whom?