Unless criminal charges of some sort of filed, and I'm not too educated
whether this criminal or not to tell you the truth, nothing will happen. This
state is completely dominated by one party. He will not be impeached. The
governor won't likely ask him to resign unless all of this effects him to a
severe level. This is what you get in any govt. institution dominated by one
political party. It's not a Democrat thing or a Republican thing. Other
states dominated by the other party suffer the same issues. They become so
insulated that it is problematic. Bottom line, the Republicans here in Utah
can't be expected to do the right thing. Obviously, Swallow isn't
going to be fall on his sword. Heck, he would probably be reelected in our
state's current political climate. He, and his Republican supporters, will
likely just wait this out until it more or less blows over. Now if the case
does get criminal in some way, ignore my comments as all bets are off. But as
long as it stays in the more ethical rather than legal/criminal realm,
he'll stay where he is.
MikeHow do you know what the Tribune was saying during the last
election. I thought you never read it. I have no reason to believe
the Trib misquoted recordings and transcripts. Neither do you.
This editorial was very enlightening and succinct. My jaw dropped as I read the
narrative. The disappointment I have for the former AG is real and
disheartening. If the narrative is accurate, the cronyism, corruption, and
abuse of power needs to be addressed, prosecuted, and stopped. I hope those in
a position to bring legal proceedings against these people will do so, so that
the interests of the people of Utah are served. Thank you to the Deseret News
and other reporting agencies for bringing this information to the public.
Mike,Based on your apologetics, it wouldn't be unreasonable to
think that Swallow and Shurtleff will be spending considerable time with former
court opponents, as well as former business associates, and friends. Maybe
they'll be able to help move the prison from its current location to
somewhere like right next to the nuclear waste facility in the west desert. Who
knows - maybe they'll both be sporting tatoos in the near future?
@micawber,You are asserting that the Tribune is fair and honest in
its reporting of John Swallow and Mark Shurtleff. Would you PROVE that? You
also alluded to some kind of ticking clock on the courtroom wall, that once
started, could keep the trial from finishing. Would you care to prove that?
You say that you don't rely on the Tribune for religious
issues. Has that kept the Tribune from using the pages of their newspaper to
make unfounded and untrue allegations against the LDS Church for much of the
Tribune's history? Is that just water under the bridge, or does that show
that the Tribune is not above using its resources to create news, not just to
report news? So what is it doing now? Is it reporting news or is it creating
news? Why don't you revisit some of the stories printed by the
Tribune during last year's campaign and see for yourself how
"unbiased" and "fair" the Tribune "reported" that race?
It's too bad that we couldn't see the color of the paper. I'm
pretty much certain that it was "yellow".
How disappointing that someone would question Dan L's motives in writing
this opinion piece. I offer a statement of agreement and am standing with Dan in
his assessment and opinion. Dan L, a former Republican Utah State
Senator and U.S. Senate candidate and I both know very well and the public
should know that this editorial could not have been written lightly or without
possible political consequences.The questionable actions of our
recent and current AG is at a minimum highly unethical and unbecoming of the
office of Attorney General of the great State of Utah. The recorded
conversations and actions are a mockery of the office of Attorney General and is
an unfortunate betrayal of the trust of the people of Utah.
Mike,Don't be silly. We're talking about current events,
not religion. If I want to learn about religion, I read scripture or listen to
conference or talk with those whose views I respect I don't rely on either
the Tribune or the Deseret News for information about religious issues. With current events, I try to read all sides of an issue. You ask if the
Tribune has an axe to grind. Perhaps. I don't know. But you ignored my
question to you: has anyone disputed the accuracy of the Tribune's summary
of the tapes? It doesn't matter to me so much what the newspapers opine.
But what Mr. Swallow and Mr. Shurtleff say on tape, and what their
representatives say to the media, is significant.Investigations of
complex issues often take a long time. Law enforcement wants to make sure it has
its case put together before the clock starts running on a trial date. When you compare the Salt Lake Tribune to the National Enquirer you signal
that you are not a person to be taken seriously. Apparently, you'll say
anything if it supports your viewpoint.
@micawber,Okay, I'll go bite. Let's talk about God.
Let's discuss religion. Let's define "truth". Are you
willing to let the Tribune define God, religion or truth for you? Do you have
to read their definition before you look elsewhere for your answers?What makes you think that the Tribune doesn't have an axe to grind? Why,
after all the reporting, are John Swallow and Mark Shurleff still free to roam
the streets? The "reporting" has been going on for months. If even
part of what that newspaper has "reported" is true, an honest
"cop" would have arrested both of those men. I don't
waste my time reading the "National Enquirer" either. Does that mean
I'm ill-informed or does it mean that some of us make our reading choices
based on past performance rather than on sensational headlines?
Mike,If you don't read the Tribune, how do you know if it is
credible or not? I have not heard anyone say the Tribune's summary of the
tapes was biased or inaccurate, have you?
Has Dan Liljenquist personally heard the "tape" or even read a
transcript of the "tape"? It seems like someone who was caught is
telling everyone who will listen that he is innocent, but that nasty John
Swallow and that nasty Mark Shurtleff should be hung at sundown.Now,
why would anyone waste their time reading the Tribune? What has that paper done
in the last 150 years to make it credible? My grandpa, who loved reading the
Tribune, was fond of saying that, according to the Tribune, every Mormon
belonged in jail and every Republican was a felon. He would then add, with a
twinkle in his eye, that as far as he could tell, Johnnie Walker was still on
the payroll at the Tribune. Maybe my memory has faded, but I'm pretty sure
those where his exact words.Reporters have a duty to report facts.
If those facts are true, the police chief should arrest John Swallow and Mark
Shurtleff and let the court sort things out. As long as they are walking the
streets as free citizens, I'm going to have to agree with grandpa and with
his assessment of the other newspaper.
I've said it before: the people of Utah got exactly what they deserved by
overlooking an award-winning prosecutor last fall and instead reflexively voting
for the sleazy guy with the "R" next to his name.
I am in agreement that the DesNews does soft-pedal some stories and has really
failed to investigate anything of note. They are trying to sell papers on
feel-good stories. The AG's office appears to be a mess. I am
still wondering why Warren Jeffs is in a Texas prison and not at Point of the
Mountain. Mr. Shurtleff was in office 12 years and didn't do much but
crash a motorcycle. The silence of the pious Republican leadership
and elected officials is deafening.
.aceroinox asks good questions.Shurtleff served **three
terms** as Utah's AG. At whose benefit did he serve, and what money was
coming to him under the many tables he sat at, during those twelve years?I am thankful the Feds are looking at this. Utah's political
system is a hotbed of immorality and unethical behavior, while claiming to be
@IronGuy--That definitely falls in the category of a snarky comment.
I'm guessing that you have some kind of beef with Dan Liljenquist, perhaps
one of Senator Hatch's campaign operatives...irritated because the august
senator was forced into a primary for the first time in 36 years?The
real question in not why is Dan Liljenquist bearing down on John Swallow, but
why more prominent Republicans are not! Also worth contemplation: how did Mark
Shurtleff escape scrutiny for so long? He clearly ran roughshod over ethics and
the law during his tenure--why was he allowed free rein in his far-ranging and
non-trivial skullduggery? Every time I questioned his integrity while in office,
I was told by numerous GOP folk that he was a reliable friend to conservatism.
I'm afraid I always found him suspect, and more than a little full of
Of course, Dan is 100% correct about all this. But I have to ask myself why a
fellow Republican would go after one of his own with such zeal and
righteousness? Could it be that Dan is setting himself up as Swallow's
The question isn't whether swallow should step down. It's whether or
not he should go to jail.
What Swallow has done is not in dispute. How criminal they may or may not have
been is under investigation, but the fact that our Attorney General tried to
extort $2 million from someone they had prosecuted is beyond the pale. There is
no legitimate reason this guy should be in office of any kind, let alone as the
state's chief law officer.
Thank you for publishing this opinion piece.As a reader of both the
Deseret News and the Salt Lake Tribune I am a little disappointed of the lack of
covereage of the continuing revelations about Mr Shurtleft and Mr Swallow.My personal opinion is the Deseret News and KSL seem to be soft peddling
the information. A simple internet search of both web sites should reveal the
answer. Maybe I am wrong perhaps the Tribune is sensationalizing
the story. I would like the most complete information to make my
own personal decision.Perhaps I am wrong but I feel I do not get the
same amount of info on this subject because of political reasons If the two
stories were about Democrats would the Deseret News coverage be the same? My
feeling politics should have nothing to do with it.By the way I
voted for Dan for Senate
Agree with Dan L. I wish he were in DC as our Senator.
Excellent analysis. I fear we are losing perspective here, by failing to
acknowledge the difference between criminal activity and ethical violations.
Those who would have us wait for the results of various criminal investigations
before calling upon Mr. Swallow to resign, are ignoring the overwhelming number
of ethical violations he has committed, while holding high public office. Mr.
Swallow may or may not have committed crimes -- the investigations will
determine that. Meantime, the ethical lapses of which we have incontrovertible
evidence, and which Mr. swallow himself has acknowledged, provide more than
enough reason for him to step down. If he hasn't the honor to do it
himself, the legislature should make the move.
Well stated Mr. Liljenquist. But, the rot goes deeper than Mr Swallow. It is
time to sweep the whole system clean.
When even Dan Liljenquist is able to recognize the improprieties in the actions
of Swallow and Shurtleff, we know it must have been very serious.