Fair Tax and the IRS

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  • Stephen Eldridge Cosby, TN
    May 23, 2014 8:08 a.m.

    The so-called “Fair Tax” (“FT”) is MORE WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION, AND a financial SCAM.

    FT advertises "MORE PROGRESSIVE" (MORE WELFARE). The poor pay NO tax, get SS/Medi FREE, receive a big tax welfare check (NET). Everyone gets a welfare check (Prebate)and many will depend upon it - $600B entitlement that is sure to grow.

    Prices go up 25+%.

    Several big HIDDEN taxes, even though FT says its "transparent".

    Combined fed + S/L 40(fed 30% not 23% + 10% S/L)to -70% (+ 30% for evasion/avoidance)sales tax, will spark a consumer revolt destroying the economy.

    New homes cost 35-40% more - down payment nearly 50%, because lenders won't lend on the sales tax.

    New IRS (i.e., STAA) will be worse - invasive consumer audits maybe have to file "annual FT Summary".

    FT will lead to a NEW Income Tax,IN ADDITION - 16th Amendment will not go away and FT's laughable Sunset Clause will be repealed.

    We need a 10% Income Tax - NO deductions, etc. (H.R. 1040, with modifications).

    Supporting details are available.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    May 26, 2013 7:38 a.m.

    The fair tax does add tax to the middle class. I think poor get a refund. However the benefits far outweigh the problems. For one thing we save $200,000,000,000 each year in compliance costs that's right $200 billion. The economy would go crazy with growth. Everyone who would want a job would have one. But it is too sensible for our legislators.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 25, 2013 11:34 p.m.

    So you are saying BO lied.

    Thanks for admitting your hero is a liar.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    May 25, 2013 10:40 p.m.


    From the Inspector General's report:

    "Figure 4 shows that approximately one-third of the applications identified for processing by the team of specialists included Tea Party, Patriots, or 9/12 in their names, while the remainder did not. According to the Director, Rulings and Agreements, the fact that the team of specialists worked applications that did not involve the Tea Party, Patriots, or 9/12 groups demonstrated that the IRS was not politically biased in its identification of applications for processing by the team of specialists.

    We reviewed all 298 applications that had been identified as potential political cases as of May 31, 2012. In the majority of cases, we agreed that the applications submitted included indications of significant political campaign intervention."

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    May 25, 2013 9:38 p.m.

    "It is absolutely false reporting that the IRS targeted only conservative and no liberal organizations for extra scrutiny."

    But, it's absolutely true that IRS targeted mostly conservative organizations. Obama even said so... as did his fired IRS chief.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    May 25, 2013 4:12 p.m.

    Sandy, UT

    @john charity spring. Where are all these people on welfare


    Don't look now,
    but John is one of the one's living off of the evil liberal "Social Security" and "Medicare" programs.

    One of those : Cut government welfare!, just not MY government welfare - types.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 25, 2013 3:13 p.m.

    If anyone has questions on who truly owns the lobbyists in Washington, just read about the "fair tax." Ironic that it is called that. The "fair tax" is nothing more than a tax break for millionaires and billionaires and a hike on everyone else.

    Best government money can buy!

    How much longer are we going to fall prey to these sort of shenanigans?

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 25, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    The Fair Tax is not a fair tax.

    The retail sales tax is a terrible way to finance government.

    It is not equally applied to products. It is applied to the retail price paid for the product. Retail prices can vary greatly in the same town. The alternative to allowing them to vary is called price fixing.

    It is not applied to all consumption. Not to business, not to charity, not to used products, not to most services, not to investments, not to speculation, not to capital gains, not to inheritances, not to foreign products.

    Collecting the tax adds cost to the product and not all the tax collected is remitted to the government.

    Unscrupulous people use sales tax revenue to bribe government employees by promises of relocation of the business or residence.

    There are probably even more and better reasons to not use Sales Tax for government support.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 25, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    The fair tax increases taxes on the poor and middle class while lowering them on the rich. That's why rich people seem to like it so much.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    May 25, 2013 11:03 a.m.

    The real problem with the IRS evaluating applications for non-profit status is that there are no clear guidelines. The Inspector General
    Report found that the IRS didn't give some of the largest and most flagrant abusers of 501(c)(4) status extra scrutiny. It is absolutely false reporting that the IRS targeted only conservative and no liberal organizations for extra scrutiny. It is also obvious why the IRS looked at organizations called "Tea Party." The Tea Party is widely recognized as a political movement-- with lower taxes one of its main concerns. "Social welfare" isn't the first thing associated with Tea Party.

    "We stand behind our earlier analysis of the FairTax. The proposal to which Gov. Huckabee referred is not a 23 percent tax, but rather a 30 percent tax. And it is revenue-neutral only through an accounting trick. It will collect more money from those earning between $15,000 and $200,000 per year and less from those earning more than $200,000 per year. It is possible that the FairTax would make most people better off, but much of that gain would be a direct result of making the tax code less fair."

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    May 25, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    @john charity spring. Where are all these people on welfare and exactly how much federal taxes goes to welfare? We spend more money on wars than any kind of welfare or social programs by far.

    And why are you so jealous of people on food stamps anyways? It's not like they are going on vacations or going out to eat or enjoy nice things. Enjoy your life man instead of worrying about whether some person is taking advantage of the system.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    May 25, 2013 7:28 a.m.

    Burkett is slightly off base, but has recognized the root problem of America's tax system. The root problem is that the current system is specifically designed, not to finance security and infrastructure, but to take from productive citizens and give to non-productive ones.

    Indeed, the current tax structure punishes hard work and innovation, while rewarding laziness and sloth. Those who work hard have their dollars taxed away and given to those who refuse to work to provide for themselves.

    The tax system must be reformed before there is no longer any incentive to work. Who will the left-wing government tax when there are no longer and workers and everyone is sitting around waiting for their welfare check?

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 25, 2013 12:50 a.m.

    "The Fair Tax eliminates the IRS, all income taxes, the Social Security payroll tax, corporation taxes, estate taxes and taxes on interest, dividends and capital gains and Medicare premiums."


    It does all that? Can it also wash my dishes and mow my lawn!?

    Momma always told me that if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. A closer look at "fair tax" shows that it is yet again, another GOP tax cut for the rich and increase on everyone else.

    No thanks, ill pass. We should increase taxes on the rich, slash the defense budget in half, institute a single payer system, and heavily invest in education, green energy, manufacturing and watch how quickly our economy would recover from that disasterous 2000-08 trickle down economics disaster.