US companies challenging contraception mandate

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  • bluecollar Kearns, UT
    May 29, 2013 6:01 a.m.

    @ lost in dc: "If what you say is true, why did a MAJORITY of people OPPOSE Obamacare before, during, and after its passage?"
    The law was passed by our representatives. Our representatives are selected by majority vote. My point is the law was not by a "federal government mandate" but by the will of the people of The United States of America.
    @OldGreg Laws are passed for a reason. We have the Affordable Care Act because it costs too much for middle-income working Americans to see a doctor when they're sick.
    @ rickyticky: I agree senators' votes should not be bought with bribes. Portions of the Affordable Care Act were clearly included to give lawmakers incentives to pass it. And so the American Way goes on.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    May 27, 2013 9:16 p.m.

    selective memory syndrome or what!! You forgot that several senators votes were bought and paid for with taxpayer dollars. We call those tactics "bribes".

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 26, 2013 8:25 p.m.

    What ever happened to free agency?

    Let the employees choose whether to use birth control or not.

    What's wrong with that?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 25, 2013 5:58 p.m.

    The opposite of freedom is mandate.

  • Hightek Salt Lake City, UT
    May 24, 2013 4:54 p.m.

    @lost in DC

    Good point. Also invalidates your comment as much as it does mine.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 24, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    depending on how you word the survey, you can get a majority to support nazism. it's called push-polling

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 24, 2013 3:38 p.m.

    Why not a mandate to come clean with IRS, Benghazi, guns to Mexican cartel, and AP tapping scandals.

    Isn't this more important then covering contraceptives?

  • Hightek Salt Lake City, UT
    May 24, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    @lost in DC
    A majority of Americans opposed Obamacare, yet a majority of Americans supported almost every major provision in Obamacare when asked about them individually.

  • OlderGreg USA, CA
    May 24, 2013 12:38 p.m.

    @ bluecollar: Yea, right. We the citizens wanted to report *every purchase* made by a business. We citizens want to add a hefty sales tax to home purchases. We citizens want to create more incentives to reduce full time employment. We citizens want to increase health care costs and call it "Affordable--". We citizens want to impose additional taxes on those with good medical coverage. We citizens want to pass/ enact laws so we can find out what is in them. We citizens want to sue-proof a company just long enough for them to complete a plant/pollen pollute/ harvest cycle. We citizens want to waive all rights on some bureaucrats secret say-so.

    ---- and on and on and on

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 24, 2013 12:14 p.m.

    you know exactly what you did - no need to play the aggrieved liberal. Yours was a pre-emptive attack aimed at those who see the mandate as a clear violation of the 1st amendment. But I suspect you will try to deny it.

    HVH, yes, I would accept that

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    May 24, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    So when a "faith healer" owns a business and tell all his employees that he's not going to cover anything because it's against his religious beliefs, your all going to be good with that little loophole, right?

    Cause I predict a new revival in faith healers among the Monty Burns of the corporate world, maybe a religion just for Corp's since they're people too according to conservatives.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    May 24, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    @lost in DC – “Tyler,… thanks for confirming for us how much you and the other libs despise certain parts of the 1st amendment.”

    And how exactly did I do that? You should look up the word “projection.”

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 24, 2013 8:21 a.m.

    The idea that Hobby Lobby not paying for someone’s contraceptives is the same as the owners forcing their religious beliefs on the employees is total ridiculous. If the employees were prohibited from using contraceptives as a condition of employment, you could make that claim, but that is NOT what BO’s attorneys are claiming.

    Of course, according to BO and the dems, religious liberty, which is specifically provided for in the constitution, is secondary to the welfare state BO and the dems want to further entrench.

    Obviously the BO misadministration slept through their lessons on the first amendment. But thanks for confirming for us how much you and the other libs despise certain parts of the 1st amendment.

    Business owners are NOT telling employees they cannot use BC; see my first paragraph.

    See the Citizens United decision; BUSINESSES can!

    If what you say is true, why did a MAJORITY of people OPPOSE Obamacare before, during, and after its passage?

    If Hobby Lobby and other religious employers do not prevail, their only option is to reduce all their employees to part time so they won’t be forced to violate their conscience.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    May 24, 2013 7:41 a.m.

    As the article states, employees already have that coverage at Hobby Lobby in their health care.

    It is great that we live in a country where employers and employees have rights as citizens that can go through or to a court system to ensure that the executive and legislative branches aren't going beyond what the court has the opportunity to rule on. The court system isn't perfect but judges have a process to go through and levels where the attorneys can go through to the Supreme Court.

    Judges may be appointed at the higher levels but still have the law to work in most cases. Even Presidents who try and load the courts have term limits and hopefully good people vote for another person that is true to the oath of the law.

  • bluecollar Kearns, UT
    May 24, 2013 7:12 a.m.

    The "Federal Government" didn't issue a mandate. The Patients' Protection and Affordable Care Act was not imposed by "the Obama administration". The law was passed by a majority of the people of The United States of America as represented by their duly elected members of Congress. The majority of American voters have decided that health care reform is necessary. Stop blaming everything you don't like on "the Obama administration". Stop claiming everything you don't like comes from "the Federal Government" and wake up to the fact that we, as a people, vote and elect our leaders and ask them to represent us and therefor the Affordable Care Act represents the collective will of the citizens of this country.

  • Devilion Taylorsville, UT
    May 24, 2013 3:56 a.m.

    Moderate, most of the time new owners of a busniess have to reapply for lisneces to continue to operate the business they by. Part of that would be a review of health care. Having been employeed by a few companies that changed hands I can tell you they always review and then most of the time change the health coverage.

    I support the Hobby Lobby in this. Like Mr. Nelson said they are not telling anyone they can not use these products simply that they do not want to pay for them. The week after pill is in my opinion a cheap form of aborition, where the people using it can try and step around the emontional aspect. I also disagree with it being made available over the counter for anyone under the age of 18.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2013 8:00 p.m.

    "These businesses aren't saying people CAN'T use these contraceptives, just that they don't want to pay for it."

    Had you said "business OWNERS don't want to pay for it", I might see your point.
    Disturbing, however, is seeing a business as a person - that the business Hobby Lobby has feelings and rights. That if Hobby Lobby is sold to new owners, the new owners are buying a business that doesn't have to pay for contraception, because the business objects to doing so.

  • Luke Nelson West Valley City, UT
    May 23, 2013 6:37 p.m.

    These businesses aren't saying people CAN'T use these contraceptives, just that they don't want to pay for it.

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    May 23, 2013 4:34 p.m.

    Hutterite: And federal governments shouldn't be making this judgement call for employers.

  • HS Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2013 4:16 p.m.

    Do the owners also demand their employees eat only fast food at Chick Fil A?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 23, 2013 3:58 p.m.

    Business owners shouldn't be making those judgement calls for employees. Let's grow up on reproductive issues; proper contraception is way better than abortion.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    May 23, 2013 3:58 p.m.

    Here we go... get ready for a stream of pseudo-lessons on the 1st amendment... and... go!